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jkcmotox
08/05/02, 10:02 AM
You guys ever get this when you are out for a trail ride?:

Meet someone on the trail at a water break or something, ride a bit with them and at the next break (or when you are waiting at a intersection for them :)) and they comment on how good you ride, then they ask you the question "Do you race?" Of course, you say yes..........and the whole ride changes from there. They find out that you race and then they have to prove something. I'm still not sure who they are trying to prove something to, themselves or me, but it always happens.

So you take off, they ride over their head and you guessed it......they crash!

True story from my Sunday ride:

I was at my truck for a water break and a quick check to make sure T-bunny wasn't bored $hitless yet, dude rides up on a brand new spankin' fresh DRZ400E. Starts telling me how bad @$$ his new ride is, starts asking me about "Blue Thunder".....and of course, asks me if it is fast. Why do they all ask if your bike is fast? Of course it is fast........that is why it is a race bike! Anyway, we take of from the parking area (Bartlett Rd and Cave Creek rd) and head into the single track, ride some washes, etc. We stop for some water, he compliments me on flying through the whoops and asks if I race. I say "Yes, but not much lately" and I see him get a serious look on his face. We head back to the parking area (about 10 miles away) and he starts riding alot more agressively, which is fine to me. I hesitate at an intersection trying to decide if we go to the right and over the big rocky hill I am not sure he will make........and BLAM....dude flys past me to the left! I follow him, we go over a few big G-outs and on the fourth one he goes way to the left and ends up in a 2 foot deep rain washout on a big downhill in third gear! Hate to say it, but it is kinda' cool -like watching slow-mo seeing someone crash. I thought for a second that he would ride it out. He made it through the washout still on the bike but mostly steering with his chest on the bars..still had the grips though. Kinda tryed to jump clear of the bike and got his legs tangled in the bars (most guys could have ridden this one out) and went over the front fender. Needless to say, his new DRZ rode HIM the rest of the 30 feet or so to the bottom of the gully. Twisted his right knee pretty badly and he cried like a little kid. Please don't think I am cruel here, when I talk about him crying, I know it hurts but come on, I have seen guys with collor bones sticking out or most of their back skinned like a rabbit and heard less crying than this. Anyway, long story short, his new DRZE had some wiring loom damage and would not start. Now the bad part. It has NO kick starter! The only thing to do was for me to push that 270 pound turd to the top of the hill and bump it. I tried it twice and exhausted myself, no luck at all. Anyway, I ended up with him as a passenger, took him back to the parking area. We talked some poor, unsuspected 4x4 owner into picking up his bike and he called his wife.

What I learned:

1. I will never again say "Yes, I race" to a guy with a brand new bike.
2. Dirt bikes should have kick starters.
3. Blue Thunder is not the heaviest thing out there.
4. I am starting to believe what T-bunny always says about everyone that rides with me ending up in the E.R.
5. Stock brokers from Troon North do not make good offroad riders.



Jkc
#31

"One outa' two ain't bad"

Bunk n Teri
08/05/02, 10:36 AM
Yup, that is funny.

Must be a tetesterone thing...

Teri

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Wanna keep 'em? Keep ta the trails 'n keep 'em clean!

neWRiver
08/05/02, 11:13 AM
John, this is quite common from my limited time out on the trails since I started learning to ride last year. Although the "racing" experience thing is a factor, I find that it has more to do with the unfamiliarity of riding buddies. Seems there's a pecking order that has to be established. When you ride with a guy you've not ridden with, they want to know where they stand with you.

Can I keep with the other guy? Can I distance him? Seems everyone wants to think they are capable of being head of the pack and they will take risks to prove it. Definitely not my kind of fun. My solution in those situations is to let those guys go ahead of me and stay off of their tails until they feel like they've had enough. If I have a faster rider on my tail I am quite content to let them by, but some guys will just ride harder to stay in front of you until they get hurt. Silly pride.

I have the best time when I can ride my own pace. Period. When I know my riding buddies well I can easily figure out where I should take my place in line. And I have no problem taking up sweep when I'm riding with the more experienced riders.

The other side of the coin is this. You get in a group of guys that are all trying to size each other up and the race is on. They start to forget that this is a trail ride and only pay attention to catching the guy in front of them. They blow right past trail intersections and have no idea where the guy behind them is. Let me tell you, it pisses me off to no end to be behind someone who is so wrapped up in proving their "skill" that they can not look back once in a while and can't afford to stop for 45 seconds to make sure the rest of the group sees the turn.

The best trail riding buddy is one that has a comfortable pace that is close to your own. But I will ride with anyone fast or slow as long as they practice trail ettiquette. When I come to a trail junction and all I have to go on is a faint whisp of dust or a fresh roost track, that is when I start thinking about who I do and do not want to ride with again. Leaving the guy behind you in the distance may be an ego booster, but it is a very selfish trait to have as a riding "partner". When I start feeling like I have to ride over my head just because the guy in front of me wants to, then I'm not having fun anymore.

I have a great deal of respect for an experienced rider who keeps me in his "rear view mirror" so I can ride my own pace. <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

Kevin

2001 WR250F

gmoney
08/05/02, 11:38 AM
That's why I like ridin' with you Kevin <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

Greg Burns
Vice President - Riding Arizona
'01 XR400R
"I may be getting older, but I refuse to grow up"

El Gato
08/05/02, 11:55 AM
BEEN THERE, DONE THAT!!

When they find out you're a racer, or even better yet a Pro racer. The brain comes outta the head and into the fanny pack. I might as well paint a bullseye on my chest protector. You have got to learn to stay way to the side or way in front or they WILL take you down with them.

I had a guy pass me over a set of whoops as he was crashing. He clipped me on the rear wheel sending me into a fun filled save move.

Actually other Pros and experts can be just as bad. Always have to prove a point. I like to just go riding, and save the racing for when the course is marked.

If I do feal like wicking it up. I'll take off by myself without causing disruptions to the rest of the riders in the group. Not cool to push a slower rider who you don't have confidents in. I ran over my best freinds head like that one time. Good thing he had a helmet, and a hard head inside it.

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David Gronlund #57,
"I'm like a flag on that thing!!"

Fistfull
08/11/02, 4:43 PM
If you ever wanna tryout heavy, let me know the pig is always available <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>


3. Blue Thunder is not the heaviest thing out there.


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2000 XR650R
#724
I may be slow, but I'm ahead of you <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

400Excitement
08/26/02, 9:02 AM
So glad to hear this from others...
I have a great deal of respect for an experienced rider who keeps me in his "rear view mirror" so I can ride my own pace

I can appreciate someone wanting to through the hammer down. That's why they bought the fast bike.
Just be respectful of those you are with that they can enjoy the ride too by making sure they don't get lost.

Mellow Yellow
2001 - 400 EX

El Gato
08/26/02, 12:14 PM
The best trail riding buddy is one that has a comfortable pace that is close to your own. But I will ride with anyone fast or slow as long as they practice trail ettiquette. When I come to a trail junction and all I have to go on is a faint whisp of dust or a fresh roost track, that is when I start thinking about who I do and do not want to ride with again. Leaving the guy behind you in the distance may be an ego booster, but it is a very selfish trait to have as a riding "partner". When I start feeling like I have to ride over my head just because the guy in front of me wants to, then I'm not having fun anymore.


You wouldn't be refering to the way I kept missing that trail we were looking for in Camp wood would you? I was trying not to be to big of a jerk. I just get carried away sometimes when I see an awesome trail That I would like to haul tail on. I stopped at all the trail intersections and made sure everyone knew which way we were going.

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neWRiver
08/26/02, 1:30 PM
You wouldn't be refering to the way I kept missing that trail we were looking for in Camp wood would you? I was trying not to be to big of a jerk. I just get carried away sometimes when I see an awesome trail That I would like to haul tail on. I stopped at all the trail intersections and made sure everyone knew which way we were going.

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Not at all. I enjoyed riding with you. <img src=icon_smile_cool.gif border=0 align=middle>

In fact, I like to be "pulled". I would really rather be working my butt off riding with better riders because it gives me more opportunity to push myself to learn more. As long as I can back off the pace when I need to and not worry about being left stranded, I am cool with however fast you want to go. It is nice to ride with an experienced rider who doesn't make you feel like you are holding up the show. I'd ride with you again anytime you'd let me. <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

Kevin

2001 WR250F

El Gato
08/27/02, 5:16 AM
SSHHWWEEEEEEEETT

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Fistfull
08/27/02, 7:11 AM
SSHHWWEEEEEEEETT

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You wouldn't be refering to the way I kept missing that trail we were looking for in Camp wood would you? I was trying not to be to big of a jerk. I just get carried away sometimes when I see an awesome trail That I would like to haul tail on. I stopped at all the trail intersections and made sure everyone knew which way we were going.

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Not at all. I enjoyed riding with you. <img src=icon_smile_cool.gif border=0 align=middle>

In fact, I like to be "pulled". I would really rather be working my butt off riding with better riders because it gives me more opportunity to push myself to learn more. As long as I can back off the pace when I need to and not worry about being left stranded, I am cool with however fast you want to go. It is nice to ride with an experienced rider who doesn't make you feel like you are holding up the show. I'd ride with you again anytime you'd let me. <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

Kevin

2001 WR250F



I wish I could have splained as well as Kevin did. <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>
I totally agree, I will ride with you again anytime you'll let me. What little riding we have done together has been a total blast and has really helped my riding.<img src=icon_smile_approve.gif border=0 align=middle>

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2000 XR650R
#724
I may be slow, but I'm ahead of you <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

PBR
08/27/02, 7:56 AM
Oh man... the helmets NOT going to fit anymore... <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

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"Let up for a second and thats where you'll finish"

El Gato
08/27/02, 8:42 AM
Oh man... the helmets NOT going to fit anymore... <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>


Not a problem, Cycle Gear has a new big and tall section.

I've enjoyed riding with you all also. I can't wait tell the next one.

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jkcmotox
08/27/02, 8:50 AM
You guys are all SO cute! Everyone loves riding with everyone.......makes my goggles start to fog up.What a sweet little bunch............................................. ......I'm feeling vermouth.....talk amongst yourselves!

Jkc
#31

"This looks like a job for me, MOTOrious B.I.G.,.......Y to the Z."

El Gato
08/27/02, 11:04 AM
I would love to ride with you to Jon, but you never invite me. I always hear about it after the fact. Whats up with that?

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jkcmotox
08/27/02, 9:25 PM
Okay then, let's make a date!

I do most of my riding during the week (my whole reason for being self employed!)or on the weekends that I don't have my son Staley (future dominator of Canyon's PeeWee class!)

You are chained to your desk by the man 5 days a week, so that leaves four days a month for us to ride together. We DO need to get our schedules to match and get out sometime.

I have some ugly, ugly singletrack that I know will put a big grin on the cat!

Jkc
#31

"This looks like a job for me, MOTOrious B.I.G.,.......Y to the Z."


Edited by - jkcmotox on 08/27/2002 10:27:17 PM

El Gato
08/28/02, 6:03 AM
I have some ugly, ugly singletrack that I know will put a big grin on the cat!


Now you're teasing me.

Lets do it the weekend after SF if you can.

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