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RidenRed333
09/26/08, 3:26 AM
Alright guys let talk tires. What are you DS guys running on you bikes, miles, street performance
and dirt. So far I have had the oem which was decent on the street but made me feel like I
could ice skate with the rear in the dirt with just a little twist of the trottle. That tire lasted me
until I had 2400 miles on it. Maybe I ran the tire pressure to low. Then I went with the M6006
and this tire was definetly better then the OEM. It hooked up pretty good in the dirt and on the
street it was great once I had about 50 to a 100 miles. Felt a little squarly at first in the rear
but I am pretty pleased with it. I have about 2000 miles on it and I would be lucky if I make it
another 300 to 400 miles. I would still like to stay with a 50/50 as the season for riding is
coming up and I will be doing alot more offroad riding. If I had the money I would buy another
rim and put a nice 80/20 for commuting and go with the C6006 but money is to tight and my
money tree quit producing so I am stuck with a tire that will serve my Dual sport purpose. So
tell me the good the bad the ugly.
Thanks
Randy
Walter Sego
09/26/08, 5:15 AM
I run a Maxxis Desert IT on the back and a Dunlop 756 on the front. They aren't DOT tires.
I only ride on the road as absolutely needed, so dirt performance is my concern. I don't expect tires to last more than a few months at a whack. I have a tire machine, so changing them isn't a big deal. I have done a few runs down the highway and they don't feel that bad on asphalt at 60mph. They just wear quickly.
I like the Kenda 270, it did everything pretty darn well, and lasted a long time. at least 2500 miles on the rear, and it was only kinda bad in loose loamy stuff. keep it moving in the sand and it was ok. even climbed the sand hills at ocotillo wells with it. no problems.
if you want mor aggresive, I have liked the Dunlap 606, have one on the front of the XR600 now. not sure on mileage though, the last set I got was used when I got it.
Ken
I've been using Pirelli MT21's on my DRZ and they work OK offroad and pretty good on pavement, but they are expensive, about $70 a piece, and only last about 1500 miles. I just ordered a set of Kenda K270's and got front and rear for just a little more than 1 Pirelli. I'm glad to hear Wedge liked his, I'll give a ride report after I get them mounted and run 'em awhile.
Low Down
09/26/08, 9:35 AM
Randy, have you looked at IRC GP1's or Mefo Explorers? From what I have read, they both do a great job on the slab, do a good job off-road other than mud, and wear like iron. I am seriously thinking about the GP1's front and back on my Husky... but in a perfect world I would have an aggressive pair of off-road tires, and a pair of 17" supermotard wheels.
RidenRed333
09/26/08, 9:53 AM
Mefo where cool , but I don't know about those GP1's. The Mefo, I am just not sure how they will do in the dirt. If I was riding more total street then I would go with these. But I think I may wait for you to try them before I buy them.
Low Down
09/26/08, 11:01 AM
The GP1's are like a trials tire, so they should rock on anything but mud (they won't clean out like an aggressive knobby would). I don't know if I could handle the bliss of using a rear tire more than 1700 miles, but I'm willing to find out!
Alright! Cool thread!
I really like the Maxxis Desert IT as a rear tire on my XR650R. The tire was ~3/4 worn when I bought the bike, but it's still alive and works like a charm on and off road. I have not tried it in mud, yet. The Pirelli MT 18 is a nice compliment on the front. So far, so good. A new Maxxis IT arrived at the door today (Rocky Mountain MC rules) and is going on the rear next week. It will be interesting to compare to the semi-worn one.
My XR600R has almost new d606 tires, which tend to slide too much on hardpack, but the issue probably rests with my suspension being too stiff. They really kick ass on the slab, though, which surprises me.
Someday, we will all have spare Excel wheels with the perfect tires mounted for each specific condition, for each specific bike. :grin:
Dave
Low Down
09/26/08, 10:04 PM
I'd just love to have a tire on my bike that can do DS justice without having to replace it every 1500 miles or so... But with every DS tire thread in existence, the path to salvation is always sprouting off in many directions!
RidenRed333
09/26/08, 10:17 PM
If I had the money I would a SM set and a nice set just for the dirt. But there are so many other this that I would like to buy for my bike first.
Low Down
09/26/08, 10:37 PM
Well why don't you enlighten us all in the 'Farkle and Modification' thread? I likes to talk farkles!!
RodeHard
09/27/08, 12:42 AM
I run a Maxxis Desert IT on the back and a Dunlop 756 on the front. They aren't DOT tires.
I only ride on the road as absolutely needed, so dirt performance is my concern. I don't expect tires to last more than a few months at a whack. I have a tire machine, so changing them isn't a big deal. I have done a few runs down the highway and they don't feel that bad on asphalt at 60mph. They just wear quickly.
Ditto... run the desert IT on the rear of the XR and the CR. Run either SI up front or Dunlop. I try to avoid pavement as much as possible also. I don't know what kind of mileage I get out of them, I never really bothered to check. I just replace them when they wear out.
drtrider145
09/27/08, 1:02 PM
I'm a fan of the maxxis M6006 dual sport tires, decent offroad and decent wear on road so far about 1000k and only about $110 a set shipped from bike bandit
RidenRed333
09/27/08, 3:11 PM
I just bought a new M6006 today. I know this may sound lame but I have never changed a tire on a motorcycle I've done it on bicycles before but never on a dirt bike. I bought a tire iron set to day but do you have any advice for me. Like use some soap to help it slip on or is this a bad idea. I figured it was a waste to pay 15 buck to have someone else do it when I could put that money toward tire irons which could come in handy on the trail which knock on wood has never been a issue.
Low Down
09/27/08, 4:43 PM
Well... with any DOT tire it will be a chore to do with tire irons. I'm sure someone will say how easy it is, but the crux for me was getting the 2nd bead off the rim! Tire irons are good to have when you ride so you can patch/replace the tube (and that is the easy part-one bead). It's worth $15 to me to have someone with a machine do it.
It's worth $15 to me to have someone with a machine do it.
Amen to that!
I picked up a pair of irons and hope to never use them.
Low Down
09/27/08, 5:28 PM
changing tire with irons: :swear:
paying someone else to do it: :)
What do you folks think about the "ultra heavy duty" tubes? Are they too much of a pain to install in the field?
I ordered one as a spare, but I'm thinking of having the shop install it and using the current HD tube as a spare.
I run heavy duty tubes in the bike, and on long trips if I'm brining a spare, I use a standard thickness for a spare, mostly because of space considierations.
The Kenda 270 is pretty damn easy to spoon on/off. and the motion pro aluminum lever with the axle nut wrench on the back works great. a bit spendy, but you shouldn't be pushing that hard on it anyway. I change all my tires with one, even maxxis desert IT's its all about technique and practice. come on out here to AJ sometime, I'll show you how to do it.
RodeHard
09/28/08, 4:05 PM
changing tire with irons: :swear:
paying someone else to do it: :)
I'm with you on that. I can't tell you how many times I've been out in the middle of nowhere and have gotten a flat. Thank God that fat little Michelin man has been there each time to change my tire for me, or else I don't know what I'd have done.:eek:
RodeHard
09/28/08, 4:12 PM
What do you folks think about the "ultra heavy duty" tubes? Are they too much of a pain to install in the field?
I ordered one as a spare, but I'm thinking of having the shop install it and using the current HD tube as a spare.
Actually the HD tubes are easier to install as they lay flat inside your tire and when you inflate them they have less wrinkles.
Here's a tip for ya... when you install your tube, take and coat the inside of your tire with baby powder. Not only does it help you to position your tube better for your valve stem hole, but it you happen to spin the tire on the rim, the tube won't likely move and rip your valve stem out. On other hand, make sure you really cinch down your rim locks., and if you don't have them get them, even if you have a KLR or other dual purpose bike.
come on out here to AJ sometime, I'll show you how to do it.
Wedge:
I'd love to head out to AJ. I can get out there most any afternoon this week, except tomorrow. Let me know what works for you. - Thanks!
RH:
Thanks for the tips!
I think LD was referring to not changing tires when one does not have to. If you are seeing fat white dudes hefting tire irons in the middle of nowhere, please send me some of whatever you got your hands on. ;)
I'll be around on tuesday afternoon. I have 2 tires or possibly 3 to change this week. the set on the XR, and put a fresh rear on the KTM for the race next weekend
Wedge:
Cool! I'll drop you a PM.
Low Down
09/28/08, 7:44 PM
Thanks for the clear-up Dave, but RH does not give a crap! (you probably knew that already) I was talking about changing a TIRE... not making a repair on the trail. If anyone can show me the error of my ways in this thread I am all ears...
Rodehard... If you keep this up, we'll have to change your handle to F***-TARD!!!!!
Maybe you'll cheer up once the election is over... or maybe not. ;-)
RodeHard
09/28/08, 9:24 PM
Thanks for the clear-up Dave, but RH does not give a crap! (you probably knew that already) I was talking about changing a TIRE... not making a repair on the trail. If anyone can show me the error of my ways in this thread I am all ears...
Rodehard... If you keep this up, we'll have to change your handle to F***-TARD!!!!!
Maybe you'll cheer up once the election is over... or maybe not. ;-)
Dude... quit acting like a dumb ass liberal by bringing politics into a tire thread. If you want to act stupid, take it to the off topic section. We're trying to help you out over here, so pay attention!
FYI... there's very little difference between changing a tire/tube or repairing a tire/tube. You still have to spoon the tire (at least the first bead anyways) off the rim so you can get the tube out whether you are repairing it or replacing it. Once you get the tire off, break the bead, and spoon off the first bead, it's all the same whether you are changing your tire, or are merely repairing/replacing your tube. You'll just add a couple extra minutes to the process if you are changing to a new tire.
Now here's another tip for ya... pay attention because this one could keep you from a very long walk.
Whenever you have a flat "on the trail" and the Michelin Man is not around, one of the first things you want to look for is something to prop the bike up (log, rock, milk crate, etc.) so the rear tire is off the ground. This makes it easier to remove the tire. Once your tire is removed, sometimes you will not be able to break the bead with your boot. In this case you lay the tire on on the ground and use your bikes' kickstand to break the bead. Position the kickstand on the side of the tire right above the bead and then use your weight plus the bikes weight and lean into the tire. 99 times out of a 100 the bead will break. If it don't, then you're hosed. :eek:
I always change my own tires for practice out in the field, if you ride a lot off road it's not IF you're going to get a flat, it's when. And with a little practice and after learning the "technique", it's actually pretty easy. A little hint with Maxis IT's is stick them under the hood of your car when you get home from work and get them nice and toasty, they go on like butter, and stay away from soap and water, gets in and corrodes the spoke nipples, and we all know there is nothing worse than corroded nipples. A few pictures from a little 200 mile dualsport this weekend.
http://nightstalker.smugmug.com/photos/381719683_QdgNv-L.jpg
http://nightstalker.smugmug.com/photos/381720099_PPGrQ-L.jpg
http://nightstalker.smugmug.com/photos/381720540_r4Wdt-L.jpg
http://nightstalker.smugmug.com/photos/381722160_J4rbE-L.jpg
RidenRed333
09/29/08, 8:29 AM
Nice, thanks for the illustration, Oh and I like where the plate is monted.
Oh and I like where the plate is monted.
It gets ripped off a lot less. Never had any issues with the LEO's either.
Excellent tips, guys. Thanks!
Nice nail! :eek:
RidenRed333
09/29/08, 7:19 PM
Oh, in this months Dirt wheels mag they mentioned that they are using those tire balls in the quads for racing. Someone was asking about them for dirt bikes I don't about that, but it didn't mention anything about high speed riding causing heat.
drtrider145
09/30/08, 4:51 PM
quads don't go fast enough , just kidding I have not heard that aboout the tire balls , only the moose bibby , and I also heard mc guys using swimming pool noodle floaty things in stead of a tube , anyone heard this yet?
Taylor_01
09/30/08, 5:07 PM
Heres the quad version: http://www.predatorowners.com/index.cfm?action=thread&catid=99&topid=439&thrid=49928I also heard mc guys using swimming pool noodle floaty things in stead of a tube , anyone heard this yet?
drtrider145
09/30/08, 6:52 PM
Oh yea I forgot on the advrider.com site that I can't find I seen a homemade tool guys are carrying on the bike it is a piece of tube round stock and a smaller piece inside of it like a teloscoping antenne with holes drilled in the side of the bigger piece and the smaller piece has a little metal hook on it to fit on your foot peg and you lean the bike on the kickstand and front or rear tire then prop this "third leg" under the bike as needed to balance it untill you repair you tire , cool item but can't find it the guy was selling it for like $20 bucks
RidenRed333
09/30/08, 7:18 PM
Thats awesome. I would definitly do it, that would suck to be twenty miles out on a quad and having a huge gash in your tire, you would beable to make it with those noodles in there.
RodeHard
10/01/08, 1:02 AM
I seen a homemade tool guys are carrying on the bike it is a piece of tube round stock and a smaller piece inside of it like a teloscoping antenne with holes drilled in the side of the bigger piece and the smaller piece has a little metal hook on it to fit on your foot peg and you lean the bike on the kickstand and front or rear tire then prop this "third leg" under the bike as needed to balance it untill you repair you tire , cool item but can't find it the guy was selling it for like $20 bucks
Yeah... I was gonna buy one when I had my KLR but never got around to it. Here's the thread you're talking about on ADV Rider on how to make one.
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=312901&highlight=trailjack
Fred at Arrowhead Motorsports in Moab used to sell them, but I didn't find anything on his site. I think I'll give him a call and see if he has them or can get them. It would come in pretty handy if you had a flat and no centerstand, or a rock or log to hold your bike up with.
A quote from the adv thread:
"You don't NEED anything. Just put the bike on the sidestand and remove the rear axle, and then lay the bike on its side to remove the wheel."
There just seems to be something inherently wrong about that! ;)
depends on the bike, a true dirtbike, they take dirtnaps anyway, lay it down. a lot of the ADV rider guys bikes don't like to lay on there side, as they have more fragile body work, or are too heavy to pick back up when your done.
RodeHard
10/01/08, 9:47 PM
depends on the bike, a true dirtbike, they take dirtnaps anyway, lay it down. a lot of the ADV rider guys bikes don't like to lay on there side, as they have more fragile body work, or are too heavy to pick back up when your done.
Ditto... there's been a time or two where I just shut off the fuel, layed the bike over, broke the bead, pulled the tube, found the hole, patched it, took a break to let the rubber mend, then buttoned things back up and off I went. It all depends on the severity of your flat and how quick you need to be somewhere. :grin:
drtrider145
10/06/08, 6:55 PM
Why don't you guys just pay wedge to change your tires for you and watch , you all win,,LOL
RidenRed333
10/06/08, 7:28 PM
For me it would cost twenty bucks in gas just to go out to where he lives. Although the would be a good excuse to ds out to his house.
For me it would cost twenty bucks in gas just to go out to where he lives. Although the would be a good excuse to ds out to his house.
It cost me more than $20, but it was well worth it. Wedge showed me some tire changing tricks that I would hate to learn out in the boonies! :grin: :rock:
The drive through the Florence area was nice, too. Beats workin'. :D
drtrider145
10/08/08, 8:31 PM
hey guys check this cool way to mount tires with out irons I read the entire thread and one guy says that he did it with tube and rim lock it might be worth a try ,even though I can change a front tire in about 5 min and a rear in about 10 min
I might just try this since I have 3 tires to change before octdunerfest next weekend
I'll let you all know how it goes
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=299597
Hey, that's slick! Thanks for the link, drtrider!
RodeHard
10/08/08, 11:40 PM
hey guys check this cool way to mount tires with out irons I read the entire thread and one guy says that he did it with tube and rim lock it might be worth a try ,even though I can change a front tire in about 5 min and a rear in about 10 min. I might just try this since I have 3 tires to change before octdunerfest next weekend I'll let you all know how it goes
Make sure you post some pics up. Somehow me thinks by the time you get all the straps cinched on one tire, you could have spooned on 3 tires in the same amount of time.;)
Make sure you post some pics up. Somehow me thinks by the time you get all the straps cinched on one tire, you could have spooned on 3 tires in the same amount of time.;)
I agree if you are well versed in the use of tire irons and understand the one BIG secret to mounting tires...........however, I could see where this would be much easier on rims, especially pretty black one's and the chance of pinching a tube would be a lot lower too, cool link, I spend a lot of time on ADVrider and missed that one. Thanks drtrider145:cool:. Guess I'll pick up 8 cinch straps at Harbor Freight next time I'm there.
I use a Home Depot bucket and two irons - no lube, and stiff carcass tires. Take your rtime, take small "bites", push the bead to the inner part of the rim when pulling it off and putting it on.
On the trail, I lay the bike over on its side so the wheel spins, I do NOT take the wheel off unless the tube is knackered, and spoon off the bead on one side, using a short tire iron and a small crescent wrench. After patching (if the tube is "patchable"), it goes back in with the same theory as mentioned above, and aired up.
I'm surprised that you ladies that take your wheel to have a tire put on can even put gas in your bike. ;)
YouTube - Easy Dirtbike Tire Changes
................push the bead to the inner part of the rim when pulling it off and putting it on.That's the BIG secret I've been talking about, once you figure this out, tire changes are actually easy.
I actually went one better on the bucket tire changing stand and added 1 bag of Redi-Mix concrete and a piece of 5/8" all-thread and made me a big wing nut. Holds the tire very securely and is the perfect heighth for my shop stool..........now if I can figure out a way to attach a beer:drunk:koozy I would actually look forward to changing tires.
Like I said, the big motivator should be to stay proficient, so WHEN :swear: you get that flat 100 miles from nowhere it's no big deal to take care of it.
Low Down
10/09/08, 9:50 AM
Mrs. 'dumb ass liberal' here...
I really feel dumb having to point out that some people do things like have tires changed, automobiles serviced, pizza delivered, etc. for the sake of
convenience. And why would anyone here care what people choose to do when changing a tire?? I'm still scratching my head on that one... and just when I thought my sabbatical was long enough.
Gotta go... I have a dress to pick up from the cleaners!:rofl:
And why would anyone here care what people choose to do when changing a tire?? I'm still scratching my head on that one...
I guess my only concern would be if we ever chose to ride together, are you ready, equipped and experienced enough to handle whatever the terrain and conditions dish out? I can't count the number of times I have had to lend tubes, patches, air, tools, parts, etc. to people that just weren't properly prepared.
And why give your hard earned money to someone to do something that is so darned easy to do yourself once you learn the technique? Maybe some have cash to piss away........me?.....I don't.
Low Down
10/09/08, 11:11 AM
F_G, you seem to have a very level head, and I'm sure you don't ridicule someone on the trail because they needed a hand (or a tube). If I choose to take a wheel in to have the tire changed because it is more convenient for me to do so, should it bother anyone here... or better yet, should it make anyone here think less of me?? I never intend to take a spare tire with me on a ride, so we'll be golden if we get the chance to ride together!
The bottom line is that it is OK for people to do what suits them best... hell, sometimes I pay more to get a gallon of milk at Circle K so I don't have to drive a few miles to the grocery store (OMG!! NOOOOOOOOO!!!). No biggie... to each their own, right?
It would be great (at least in this forum) if folks would stop taking words out of context. I pushed pretty hard to have a DS forum here, and think it would be in everyone's best interest to cut out the "Michelin Man" and "dumb ass liberal" and "I'm surprised that you ladies that take your wheel to have a tire put on can even put gas in your bike" garbage... This should be a place where people share ideas AND opinions without judgment. How about it??
RodeHard
10/09/08, 3:13 PM
I actually went one better on the bucket tire changing stand and added 1 bag of Redi-Mix concrete and a piece of 5/8" all-thread and made me a big wing nut. Holds the tire very securely and is the perfect heighth for my shop stool..........now if I can figure out a way to attach a beer:drunk:koozy I would actually look forward to changing tires.
Well I actually went one better than that and bought the cheapie Harbor Freight tire changer and mounted it to the floor in my garage. For a piece of chinese junk it does the job very well. It's like having a third hand. ;)
Low Down
10/09/08, 3:21 PM
Price???
RodeHard
10/09/08, 4:19 PM
Price???
Tire changer is about $80 or less depending on if you hit a sale price.
$20 per tire to have new ones mounted? Sound about right?
In the time it takes to load them up and go to the shop and the trip back (not even mentioning the time for the shop pimp to swap them out and scratch up your wheels), I can have new ones on and back on the bike AND save 2/3 the cost of a new tire. Your money, you spend it how you want.
I am not in the habit of wet-nursing people on the trail. I already have two kids and do not want more on the trail. That is not to say I do not help out, but if it becomes recurring with one rider, I look for someone else to ride with. I have no issues teaching others, I have issues doing for others repeatedly. Sounds like I am a conservative, nicht wahr? ;)
Low Down
10/09/08, 4:52 PM
$80... I'll have to go check one out. Do you think it could be mounted to something other than a floor (I rent), and still work properly? I wouldn't mind trying the tie-down idea either, at least to hold the tire together so it sits in the dish of the rim better when spooning on/off the other side.
Low Down
10/09/08, 5:11 PM
$20 per tire to have new ones mounted? Sound about right?
In the time it takes to load them up and go to the shop and the trip back (not even mentioning the time for the shop pimp to swap them out and scratch up your wheels), I can have new ones on and back on the bike AND save 2/3 the cost of a new tire. Your money, you spend it how you want.
I am not in the habit of wet-nursing people on the trail. I already have two kids and do not want more on the trail. That is not to say I do not help out, but if it becomes recurring with one rider, I look for someone else to ride with. I have no issues teaching others, I have issues doing for others repeatedly. Sounds like I am a conservative, nicht wahr? ;)
I pay $15 when I choose to have someone else change my tire, and I don't believe anyone here wants you nursing PERIOD!:rofl: I agree about not wanting to help those who are not willing to help themselves.
I've got a crazy work schedule, and sometimes it makes sense (to me) to drive 3 minutes to the shop where said changing is done.... m'kay?? The nice thing about it is that I can do this, come back into town, and pick up my wheel on my wheel on my terms... very convenient!
You really should use this site (and forum) to enlighten people about what you know in a constructive manner, instead of flaming... just throwing it out there!
:grin:
I've often found it pays to have work done, vs. doing it myself.
For example, today, instead of pulling a rear wheel and swapping out tires, I paid the shop $45 to get it done. This allowed me to perform two emergency service calls and sell two additional jobs within three hours. By simply freeing up my time, I made $535, plus over a grand in scheduled jobs in a few hours. Plus, I can now spend the rest of the holiday with my family, instead of twisting tire irons.
I'm certainly not saying one does not need experience in basic bike repair. That is a must in this hobby.
drtrider145
10/09/08, 6:19 PM
I have a tire changing stand thing NOT like the Harbor freight one , But more like a tube frame circular stand kind of like the bucket but sturdier anyway I'll sell it for $50 bucks if anyone wants it, I rarely use it , it's made by terry cable was like 100 bucks mine is blue
$20 per tire to have new ones mounted? Sound about right?
In the time it takes to load them up and go to the shop and the trip back (not even mentioning the time for the shop pimp to swap them out and scratch up your wheels), I can have new ones on and back on the bike AND save 2/3 the cost of a new tire. Your money, you spend it how you want.
I am not in the habit of wet-nursing people on the trail. I already have two kids and do not want more on the trail. That is not to say I do not help out, but if it becomes recurring with one rider, I look for someone else to ride with. I have no issues teaching others, I have issues doing for others repeatedly. Sounds like I am a conservative, nicht wahr? ;)
I pay $15 when I choose to have someone else change my tire, and I don't believe anyone here wants you nursing PERIOD!:rofl: I agree about not wanting to help those who are not willing to help themselves.
I've got a crazy work schedule, and sometimes it makes sense (to me) to drive 3 minutes to the shop where said changing is done.... m'kay?? The nice thing about it is that I can do this, come back into town, and pick up my wheel on my wheel on my terms... very convenient!
You really should use this site (and forum) to enlighten people about what you know in a constructive manner, instead of flaming... just throwing it out there!
:grin:
I posted a very instructional video about tire changing so you could learn it for yourself. I also posted an attitude held by most proficient off-roaders about wanting to ride with other competent riders. And I did not charge you a cent!
So, I gave freely valuable information to help make you more self-sufficient - just like the conservative I am.
You complained about it, said I am picking on you and still stick to your money wasting ways, wanting someone else to do the work for you - much like a liberal lefty a few here are. ;)
You build a person a fire, they'll stay warm for a day. You set that person on fire, they'll stay warm the rest of their life. :rofl:
RodeHard
10/09/08, 7:57 PM
$80... I'll have to go check one out. Do you think it could be mounted to something other than a floor (I rent), and still work properly?
Google: Harbor Freight tire changer
You'll have more information than you can shake a stick at.
Low Down
10/09/08, 8:20 PM
ArmPump... if you were able to comprehend all of the context, then you probably would not have wasted your precious time posting the 'instructional video', or saying your other beneficial comments. RodeHard said it best when he said not bringing politics into the thread... and I just mentioned the election!! What's your take on that???
If I want your help, then I will ask for it, and I will tell you what I need help with (I never asked for help changing tires, and never said I haven't changed one myself). Seeing how you have had issues comprehending the thread to this point, I would strongly suggest doing all you can to absorb it before wasting any more of your time posting in it again!
Please, don't hold it against someone if they can't change their old tire with a new one as quickly as you can..... that's just stupid.
Low Down
10/09/08, 8:28 PM
Thanks RodeHard.... I found this on the search, and looks like it should do the trick!
http://www.advrider.com/Wisdom/TireChangerMods1.0.pdf
if anyone wants one of the harbor freight changers, I have one that I havn't used for a couple years. send me a PM, I'll let it go for dirt cheap.
ArmPump... if you were able to comprehend all of the context, then you probably would not have wasted your precious time posting the 'instructional video', or saying your other beneficial comments. RodeHard said it best when he said not bringing politics into the thread... and I just mentioned the election!! What's your take on that???
If I want your help, then I will ask for it, and I will tell you what I need help with (I never asked for help changing tires, and never said I haven't changed one myself). Seeing how you have had issues comprehending the thread to this point, I would strongly suggest doing all you can to absorb it before wasting any more of your time posting in it again!
Please, don't hold it against someone if they can't change their old tire with a new one as quickly as you can..... that's just stupid.
(Psssst, the smileys denoted joking. Google "humor". Hope this helps.)
Anyhow, if we get out for a DS ride and you get a flat, I'd help you out. ;)
I run the Dunlop 739 front tire and the 606 rear, but ride a lot of off-road stuff. The 739s wear okay on the road and work well for me off-road.
YMMV
I actually went one better on the bucket tire changing stand and added 1 bag of Redi-Mix concrete and a piece of 5/8" all-thread and made me a big wing nut. Holds the tire very securely and is the perfect heighth for my shop stool..........now if I can figure out a way to attach a beer:drunk:koozy I would actually look forward to changing tires.
Well I actually went one better than that and bought the cheapie Harbor Freight tire changer and mounted it to the floor in my garage. For a piece of chinese junk it does the job very well. It's like having a third hand. ;)
Originally Posted by Low Down http://www.ridingarizona.com/forum/images_ra/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://ridingarizona.com/forum/showthread.php?p=270864#post270864)
Price???
Tire changer is about $80 or less depending on if you hit a sale price.
I am fundamentally a tite-wad
Free 5 gallon bucket + $3.63 bag of redi-mix + $4.49 5/8 all-thread = Very cheap tire changing stand:cool:.............heck, I can buy 2 tires for $80;):grin:
However, the biggest reason is the bucket is the optimal heighth for my uber-trick Snap-On work stool.:grin:
I like that stand drtrider145 has, I just don't have a crowbar big enough to pry my wallet open.:drunk:
And LowDown, I think the Harbor Freight changer my buddy has inserts into the receiver hitch on his truck so you don't have to mount it to the floor.
wmurphy833
10/13/08, 9:01 AM
I have a KLX250S and switched to the Dunlop D606's at 1300 miles. I now have about 4800 miles on the bike and they are holding up and wearing well. I ride a mix of fireroads, desert trails and street with some freeway. They work great in the dirt and are predictable on the street. They are fairly easy to mount yourself. I use a MRP stand and it takes about 20 minutes. If you ride a lot of dirt they are a good choice.
RidenRed333
10/13/08, 7:31 PM
I have a KLX250S and switched to the Dunlop D606's at 1300 miles. I now have about 4800 miles on the bike and they are holding up and wearing well. I ride a mix of fireroads, desert trails and street with some freeway. They work great in the dirt and are predictable on the street. They are fairly easy to mount yourself. I use a MRP stand and it takes about 20 minutes. If you ride a lot of dirt they are a good choice.
How many miles would you say where on the street? During the summer I ride about 95% on the street:puke: and later months Oct. thru May I ride about 40 or 50% on the street:grin: My maxxis m6006 go about 3000 miles before it was a slick..
ravenranger
10/21/08, 11:53 PM
The MEFO Explorers are decent 50/50 tires. Run the front backwards of the directional arrows for better hook-up off road and the rear as marked. They're great on fire roads, rocks, and gravel. Not bad even on fairly gnarly stuff. They're not so great in sand (but that's probably 'cause I'm not so great in sand anyway) and they'll pack up in mud (not that there's much mud here - so no big deal). They rock on the street and give the sport guys a run for their money in the twisties.
I've got about 5k miles on my current set (70/30 pavement/dirt) and they're still looking good. So, even though they're expensive, at these mileages they look like they'll pay for themselves.
I'm on an XR650L and I typically run 32 psi on pavement and then air them down to about 15 off road and have even run them as low as 10. The sidewalls are stiff enough to run with a full out flat (had a Moose HD tube barf it's valve stem - what a pain - and of course the spare was old and had a bad spot - yeah, I know, so sue me).
Arrowhead (www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/) (in Moab) usually has them in stock.
ravenranger
10/22/08, 9:41 PM
I seen a homemade tool guys are carrying on the bike it is a piece of tube round stock and a smaller piece inside of it like a teloscoping antenne with holes drilled in the side of the bigger piece and the smaller piece has a little metal hook on it to fit on your foot peg and you lean the bike on the kickstand and front or rear tire then prop this "third leg" under the bike as needed to balance it untill you repair you tire , cool item but can't find it the guy was selling it for like $20 bucks
Yeah... I was gonna buy one when I had my KLR but never got around to it. Here's the thread you're talking about on ADV Rider on how to make one.
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=312901&highlight=trailjack
Fred at Arrowhead Motorsports in Moab used to sell them, but I didn't find anything on his site. I think I'll give him a call and see if he has them or can get them. It would come in pretty handy if you had a flat and no centerstand, or a rock or log to hold your bike up with.
Hey I found this Masterlock Security Bar and it would make a decent portable adjustable stand for only about $20-25 bucks.
http://ace.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/p1238442dt.jpg
RidenRed333
10/23/08, 3:13 AM
Know that I think about it I was given on of those things for a friend its suppose to be for you door.. I think it would work great, now I just have to go find it in the garage.:)
ravenranger
10/23/08, 3:45 PM
The Masterlock door bar got me thinking and after hunting around Home Depot for about an hour or so here's a little portable trail jack that I put together. It uses a friction lock so it's very stable when deployed but gives infinite adjustability.
I first made it 16" non-deployed giving a fully deployed length of 30". Since that's more than I need, I'm going to cut it down to 14" non-deployed to make it more compact for carrying but still give me about 26" when fully deployed. I could cut it down to 12" non-deployed but the extra two inches give a little more stability in deployed mode.
drtrider145
10/28/08, 6:38 PM
The Masterlock door bar got me thinking and after hunting around Home Depot for about an hour or so here's a little portable trail jack that I put together. It uses a friction lock so it's very stable when deployed but gives infinite adjustability.
I first made it 16" non-deployed giving a fully deployed length of 30". Since that's more than I need, I'm going to cut it down to 14" non-deployed to make it more compact for carrying but still give me about 26" when fully deployed. I could cut it down to 12" non-deployed but the extra two inches give a little more stability in deployed mode.
Cool I'll take one how much?
RidenRed333
10/29/08, 3:02 AM
Looks good, I found a piece of aluminium at work that worked out pretty good. I should have to a picture I used it the other day to change my tire.
What kinda tires is that on your bike?
Ok, I promised a ride report on the Kenda K270's and I can give half a report. I bought front and rears, but where our Dualsport event was this past weekend I was afraid if we got some rain the 270 didn't look as though it would clean itself very well. So I went with a K270 in the front and a K760 in the rear. The K760 Trakmaster is a DOT knobby and unfortunately is a piece of crap. I put in nearly 300 miles over Saturday and Sunday and the tire chunked badly and is downright scary on DG.
The K270 on the front however shows some promise. It barely wore the tits off and is very predictable with the exception of deep sand, it tries to follow every little groove. I think this tire shows great promise and can't wait to get the K270 on the rear and see how it performs. That shouldn't take long as the 760 is almost wasted, might get 2 more rides out of it. Being a self certified tite-wad these Kendas appeal to me as I can buy 2 for the price of one Pirelli.
Low Down
10/29/08, 7:02 AM
Looks good, I found a piece of aluminium at work that worked out pretty good. I should have to a picture I used it the other day to change my tire.
What kinda tires is that on your bike?
They're Mefo Explorers (as mentioned in post #69). :rofl:
RidenRed333
10/29/08, 12:17 PM
That right I think this is the one you where telling me about!!! Thanks Bro..
ravenranger
10/29/08, 2:30 PM
Okay, here's a little video of the compact trail jack in action:
YouTube - Compact Adjustable Trail Jack
RidenRed333
10/30/08, 3:32 AM
Nice, does the job and didn't break the bank.
RidenRed333
12/08/08, 7:34 PM
Hey, guys got a question here for you all. I have a stock xr650L do you think a 150/70-18 tire would fit with out rubbing. Do any of you have a sm set up on you xr's and what kind of tire are you running?
Hey, guys got a question here for you all. I have a stock xr650L do you think a 150/70-18 tire would fit with out rubbing. Do any of you have a sm set up on you xr's and what kind of tire are you running?
Hey RR:
I'm guessing it might fit, perhaps with a mod/adjustment or two (or three?). Hopefully some seasoned "L" riders pipe in, as I'm curious, as well. I'm guessing your tire brand and type might be a factor in determining a proper fit, ta boot.
I can say that if I bumped my wheel back a 1/2" or so, a 150 might work on my stock 650R rim without rubbing. It would be close, though. :D The current 120/100/18 Maxxis Desert tire works nicely, near the forward end of the swingarm.
Looking forward to any replies.
RidenRed333
12/08/08, 10:57 PM
wait what years is your bike? I thought that the r's had 19" rims on them..
I know that a lot of folks run 140/80-18 with no problems.. But I was wondering if anyone has done the 150/70 and got away with it... One guy I talked to once told me that he was able to put 160/65-17 but he did have to file a little off of his swingarm inorder to get it not to rub. There is a pirellel 150 tire that I was looking at that I really like. I haven't rode my bike much off road and figure that I my aswell make it a supermoto as I have been riding about 50 mile a day on the street.
I just bought a new maxxis which are great tires, but the thing is almost half worn. An it is way to expensive to be changing them out every two or three months..
wait what years is your bike? I thought that the r's had 19" rims on them..
I know that a lot of folks run 140/80-18 with no problems.. But I was wondering if anyone has done the 150/70 and got away with it... One guy I talked to once told me that he was able to put 160/65-17 but he did have to file a little off of his swingarm inorder to get it not to rub. There is a pirellel 150 tire that I was looking at that I really like. I haven't rode my bike much off road and figure that I my aswell make it a supermoto as I have been riding about 50 mile a day on the street.
I just bought a new maxxis which are great tires, but the thing is almost half worn. An it is way to expensive to be changing them out every two or three months..
RR:
My BRP is of the 2002 variety.
I just ran through my 2000-2005 XR650R service manual, and it states the 18" rear tire is the norm in the "specs" section (page 1-3). I'm guessing an 18" tire won't fit on a 19" rim, but I've certainly been wrong before! :grin:
Again, hopefully someone with some XR650L tire experience pipes in.