View Full Version : Hieroglyphic-100 - Feb.1st & 2nd
O.K. lets see some hands.
I am pre-registered as I have been for the last three races that I've missed, but I WILL be out there if not just watching and/or pitting. This is one of my favorite races. I finished it 2nd O/A last year behind Dayton Raper who was on fire. He'll be there for sure, along with Enduro winner Brian Brunning.
Course; basically it is the same course as the "C" loop in the Enduro which is not very hard riding, but a little tricky to desert race on. You really have to stay focused, there are a lot of blind obstacles. I don't suggest sitting down at all. It is all double track 4x4 jeep roads. There are a lot of elevation changes, some tricky blind wash outs and crevasses. There is a couple of sand washes with rocks that won't allow you to ride flat out, but they're fun.
You WILL get tired while riding this course. It is the tightest, most technical course Whiplash will put on.
It is not 100 miles long like in the title, probably 70-80 miles. Be well hydrated and come prepared to ride. This is not a sit down and twist the throttle race. It is as fun as a desert race can be.
I will have stock gearing on my bike (14-49) with heavy duty tubes double lined. Don't blow off the pre-run lap. It will help you see whats to come.
David Gronlund,
Ride for fun, race to win.
Fistfull
01/15/03, 8:32 AM
My money is in.
I can't wait, I loved this race last year.
In fact, last year this was my very first race to ever make the podium.
I took 3rd in the 700s, 3 seconds behind second.
This year, me 35 pounds lighter on a 35 pound lighter bike, it's gunna be FUN :D :D Braaaaapppppp
Cleverly Disguised As A Responsible Adult :D
Zhvonte
01/15/03, 11:21 AM
I am going to register this afternoon.... Weighing in at 130, I hope I have some advantage doing holeshot....
How does this race work, is there like three 20 mi laps and each time you come in you can fuel up?? I can only go maybe 45 miles on a tank of gas. Somewhere alone the way I am gonna have to stop at my truck for more fuel.
Fistfull
01/15/03, 12:35 PM
quote:Originally posted by Zhvonte
How does this race work, is there like three 20 mi laps and each time you come in you can fuel up??
That's the way it works, it's up to you to make sure you don't run out of fuel.
Something to keep in mind, if the race is three laps and the first place pro laps you when you are on lap 2 he will be on lap 3. You are now on your final lap and no longer in need of more gas to ride another lap.
Cleverly Disguised As A Responsible Adult :D
so technically, I am best just to quite riding after the 2nd lap then?? Obviously the race ends once the first person crosses the finish line...
It's called a Gran Prix finish. Whenever the first overall bike comes over the finish line and draws the checker flag on his third lap, everyone gets the checkers from then on no matter how many laps they've done.
and NO, DO NOT stop and wait for the pros to lap you so you don't have to ride a third lap unless you are so damn tired you can't go on any farther. Someone in your class may pass you and beat you. You are racing against the clock and the poeple in your class, not the Pros, experts or any one else. Heck, we may be a long ways from lapping the you, and you would be throwing all your hard work away.
I hope to see a lot of poeple out there even if you're not racing. It's a lot of fun to sit around in the heat all day and eat dust and breathe exhaust fumes.
David Gronlund,
Ride for fun, race to win.
eatting dust is half of my diet anymore.... all natural :D
hey david, should we set up an ra area for riders and spectators???
Lizrdlipz
01/16/03, 6:30 AM
I'll be there for sure. This is my favorite race... If you look at the lap times for 2001 you'll see my first lap time was the overall fastest... :-) I grenaded my rear hub on the shale hill of the second lap and DNF'd. What a bummer... I'll be more prepared this year but will be riding a much larger bike(KTM 525 EXC)than last time (YZ 426). Hope to see you all there.
Steve Feld #31
I'll be looking over my shoulder for the #31. Don't hurt me too bad when you go by.
David Gronlund,
Ride for fun, race to win.
Zhvonte
01/16/03, 10:53 AM
so i take it as we race all at once, how ever many hundred of us, we are all racing the same time.... that is gonna be one big dust bowl....
El Gato
01/16/03, 11:14 AM
quote:Originally posted by Zhvonte
so i take it as we race all at once, how ever many hundred of us, we are all racing the same time.... that is gonna be one big dust bowl....
Well not exactly. They split the races up into three basic races.
The first race is usually quads.
The second race is usually th 500 (beg.), 400 (junior sportsman), 300 (novice), 200 (int.) bike classes.
The third race is usually the pros (MCO, MCS, MCM) 700(vet novice), 600(vet expert), and 900 (first timers) bike classes.
The numbers (100, 200, 300etc..) refers to bike/quad numbers. In each class 0-49 = bikes, and 50-99 = quads. For example expert bikes are 100-149, expert quads are 150-199.
Even with three separate races it will get dusty, but not as bad.
David Gronlund,
Ride for fun, race to win.
El Gato
01/16/03, 11:18 AM
Zhvonte,
If this is your first race and you are on a quad your number will be somewhere between 950 and 999. Call to reserve a number if you didn't specify one on your entry. If you didn't specify a number on your entry, they assigned you one.I suggest you find this out BEFORE race day so you can have your bike numbered before hand. One less thing to do at the race.
David Gronlund,
Ride for fun, race to win.
Zhvonte
01/16/03, 11:20 AM
ahhh, i take it as there are far more dirt bikes than there are quads..... in hence of being one race for quad and two race for bikes....
I am guessing, there be roughly what, maybe 100 people in each race??
El Gato
01/16/03, 11:23 AM
quote:Originally posted by Zhvonte
ahhh, i take it as there are far more dirt bikes than there are quads..... in hence of being one race for quad and two race for bikes....
EXACTLY.
quote:
I am guessing, there be roughly what, maybe 100 people in each race??
Give or take. It will be a pretty big race.
David Gronlund,
Ride for fun, race to win.
Zhvonte
01/16/03, 11:26 AM
david, yeah, first race ever of any kind of racing....
I didnt request any kind of number, they said they are going to assign me one at the track... But i will call them and push for a number so i can come prepared...
I can't wait for the race.... I hope my tires are up to par... I was going to get new maxxis raz2 tires, but I learned how to ride so well with these "getting bald" knobby tires I have I think I will race with this. I hope no one minds me taking the whole road to make a sharp turn, this quad really slides a lot....
Actually, the motorcycle races are first at this event, and the quads go last. I know I am signed up, and I thoroughly enjoyed this event last year myself. It is certainly a technical course, but thankfully not as chewed up as the Wickenburg course.
Good luck to all.
Robert
TRX330R
Whiplash #273
Fistfull
01/16/03, 2:32 PM
I liked Wickenburg and three weeks later when the blisters had healed I could ride again :D :D :D :D :D
quote:Originally posted by Slyder
Actually, the motorcycle races are first at this event, and the quads go last. I know I am signed up, and I thoroughly enjoyed this event last year myself. It is certainly a technical course, but thankfully not as chewed up as the Wickenburg course.
Cleverly Disguised As A Responsible Adult :D
Lizrdlipz
01/16/03, 2:59 PM
David,
I'll be lucky to even see your dust. It should be clear by the time I get to where you were. No need to look back.
quote:Originally posted by Lizrdlipz
David,
I'll be lucky to even see your dust. It should be clear by the time I get to where you were. No need to look back.
I don't know about that. If I do this race, I'll be doing it either on a bone stock new bike or a borrowed one. I don't think I have a chance at making a solid run at this race, but you can bet I will give it my all on whatever I'm riding. Kinda scaring though hitting them big ole wash outs and blind g-outs on something you're not all that sure on.
BUT, it sure will make it all that much better when I DO win it O/A.
David Gronlund,
Ride for fun, race to win.
Paul400EX
01/16/03, 3:37 PM
Sweet it's a technical race, i'm way better on technical stuff than just about anything else. I'm gonna go sign up next week sometime.
"Get in line son, before I kick you so hard you'll be wearing your @ss as a hat."
2002 Yellow 400EX
Mods coming soon: Works ProSeries Piggyback shocks
I think Paul and I are going to have a good bout on this one.... I also really like technical stuff, all i do is go fast and fly over everything.....
Fistfull
01/16/03, 6:37 PM
quote:Originally posted by Paul400EX
Sweet it's a technical race, i'm way better on technical stuff than just about anything else. I'm gonna go sign up next week sometime.
A 37 cent stamp and a #10 envelope works wonders.
Cleverly Disguised As A Responsible Adult :D
Phil Brooks
01/16/03, 9:37 PM
I believe the entry dead line is next friday the 24th. Be sure to get entry form sent in so you do not get charged the $20.00 late fee.[:0]
Honda's Crash Test Dummies
Lizrdlipz
01/17/03, 6:33 AM
David,
I see that Eastside has a new WR450 on the floor right now. Is it yours???
quote:Originally posted by Lizrdlipz
David,
I see that Eastside has a new WR450 on the floor right now. Is it yours???
HOLY COW, it's not mine but it could've been. I went to them first because I have always heard could things about the shop. They didn't want to give me a firm answer on a price. I don't blame him, it was 9 months ago. Yamaha had already set a retail price, but he was scared it would change by the time the bike came out. I could've been first on the list, but I passed. Oh Well, I can wait longer I guess.
David Gronlund,
Ride for fun, race to win.
ok, I officially went down to whiplash and signed up. Paid my 65 dollar entry fee and 30 dollar annal membership. I spent fifthteen minutes looking for the place, thinking it be in a business complex of some kind, but noooooooooooo they run this out of a house.
I will definitely see everyone there on sunday. I will do the practice run on saturday so I know what I am looking at, I might go this weekend if anyone else want to do a prerun without the crowd.
I want to know if anyone interested in working together as an RA group?? help each other fuel or whatever it may happen to be. I can help the bikes while someone can help me on the quad since they are seperate races?? Just a thought.
Phil Brooks
01/22/03, 9:40 PM
Zhvonte, Yah I thought it was strange 1st time I went looking for the Whip office. Unfortunitly, I believe that they sold the house & will soon be moving office down to the PMP track in Tucson. Look for me if you need help pitting. I run the last bike race at 10:30, so I could help you if you need. Look for my truck: White 1969 chevy 4x4 w/utility service bed & 12ft inclosed trailer. Phil # 611
Honda's Crash Test Dummies
Paul400EX
01/23/03, 8:01 PM
dangit i don't think i can make this race, i don't have the funds, plus my bike is messed up again! snapped the shift shaft off and the battery died again, oh well. And I was really looking forward to doing this race! It's just like everything else I ever dreamed of doing, it never works out.
Hey LizrdLipz, are you talking about the Eastside on southern? IF so i wanna go look at the WR450 :D
"Get in line son, before I kick you so hard you'll be wearing your @ss as a hat."
2002 Yellow 400EX
Mods coming soon: Works ProSeries Piggyback shocks
Fistfull
01/23/03, 8:28 PM
Ahh ...... Young Grasshopper, you must focus your energy if you are to RACE the quad over the sand, the rocks and the cacti while competing against fellow grasshoppers for the golden pressed wood throphy :D:D:D
quote:Originally posted by Paul400EX
dangit i don't think i can make this race, i don't have the funds, plus my bike is messed up again! snapped the shift shaft off and the battery died again, oh well. And I was really looking forward to doing this race! It's just like everything else I ever dreamed of doing, it never works out.
Lighten up Francis :D
Paul400EX
01/23/03, 8:30 PM
So fistfull, are you saying your going to pay my entry? :D oh well i'll try and race the next one.
"Get in line son, before I kick you so hard you'll be wearing your @ss as a hat."
2002 Yellow 400EX
Mods coming soon: Works ProSeries Piggyback shocks
Phil Brooks
01/23/03, 9:42 PM
Paul, If a racer gets a " 1st time racer" to sign up in the 900 class, he gets one free race entry fee. You should find a buddy and that way you guys could work out a deal and get to race 2 for 1[:p] Heck, I'll be your buddy for this one! No, but really its a pretty good deal to get started. Phil # 611
Honda's Crash Test Dummies
Paul400EX
01/23/03, 10:03 PM
yea that'd be nice, but theres no way i could come up with the money by race day, let alone tomorrow!
"Get in line son, before I kick you so hard you'll be wearing your @ss as a hat."
2002 Yellow 400EX
Mods coming soon: Works ProSeries Piggyback shocks
Phil Brooks
01/23/03, 10:06 PM
Sounds like you need to get you machine in order first any way. keep it in mind for when your ready. Next race, Hayfeild draw![:p] Phil
Honda's Crash Test Dummies
Paul400EX
01/23/03, 10:24 PM
how am i supposed to race free in my first race? i guess i need more info lol,
"Get in line son, before I kick you so hard you'll be wearing your @ss as a hat."
2002 Yellow 400EX
Mods coming soon: Works ProSeries Piggyback shocks
my nerfbars and skidplate still have not arrived yet.... At least they dont require nerfbars, just feel better having them. oh well, looks like my rear rotor is going to take some more beatings....
so paul, i guess i wont be racing you, bummer, always next time.... I was hoping to race someone from the RA board.... better luck knext time....
quote:Originally posted by Phil Brooks
Paul, If a racer gets a " 1st time racer" to sign up in the 900 class, he gets one free race entry fee. You should find a buddy and that way you guys could work out a deal and get to race 2 for 1[:p] Heck, I'll be your buddy for this one! No, but really its a pretty good deal to get started. Phil # 611
They do that for everybody except for the Pros since our entree's goes back to ourselves for the pay back, or at least %70 of it does (I'm still pissed that they are pocketing %30 of OUR pay back money). I could have had a bunch of free entrees otherwise.
Paul400ex, East Side Cycle is in Tucson.
David Gronlund,
Ride for fun, race to win.
quote:Originally posted by Paul400EX
how am i supposed to race free in my first race? i guess i need more info lol,
The guy that signs you up gets his entree for free. You (first time racer) have to pay in full, but that good friend that just got to race for free because of you may split your entree in half so you can both race for half the regular price. I'd do it for you, but they don't let the Pros have that option.
David Gronlund,
Ride for fun, race to win.
Paul400EX
01/24/03, 7:21 AM
ah phil, wanna do that for the next race? :D
"Get in line son, before I kick you so hard you'll be wearing your @ss as a hat."
2002 Yellow 400EX
Mods coming soon: Works ProSeries Piggyback shocks
Paul400EX
01/24/03, 7:32 AM
yea zhvonte, did you see that dude at the sand drags on saturday on a blue banshee get his leg caught between the tire and the fender? he looked to be in some serious pain!
"Get in line son, before I kick you so hard you'll be wearing your @ss as a hat."
2002 Yellow 400EX
Mods coming soon: Works ProSeries Piggyback shocks
Fistfull
01/24/03, 7:56 AM
Don't know where you would get that idea :D, YOU must focus, prep the bike, ride the bike but don't go beat on it after it's ready to race, get the money together and send it into Whiplash, don't wait until it's race time, send the money in early.
;)
quote:Originally posted by Paul400EX
So fistfull, are you saying your going to pay my entry? :D oh well i'll try and race the next one.
Lighten up Francis :D
Fistfull
01/24/03, 8:11 AM
quote:Originally posted by El-Gato
They do that for everybody except for the Pros since our entree's goes back to ourselves for the pay back, or at least %70 of it does (I'm still pissed that they are pocketing %30 of OUR pay back money).
I gots a question or two. Are there any sanctioning bodies out there paying 100% back to the pros? If they are/were to pay back 100%, then who would pay for the cost (insurance etc.) of the pros racing?
Lighten up Francis :D
El Gato
01/24/03, 12:50 PM
quote:
I gots a question or two. Are there any sanctioning bodies out there paying 100% back to the pros? If they are/were to pay back 100%, then who would pay for the cost (insurance etc.) of the pros racing?
Lighten up Francis :D
Most all other organizations pay back %100 except for SCORE and BITD because most of their riders are Pros unlike AZ where just a small fraction of racers are Pros.
Think about the numbers at a Whiplash race. On a big race like SF there are usually between 250-500 riders, bikes and quads. 10-20 of them are Pros. %30 of our entry ($85) is only $25.50. 20 Pros x $25.5 = $510. Whats the point of them keeping that little amount when they are making over $30,000 (480 x $65.00)on the rest of the entries and thats not including the Trucks and Buggies who bring in a lot of mulla. We're overhead for them, kinda like an advertisement for their organization. We only make a fraction of what we spend racing. Every little dollar helps.
Not to sound conceded but we bring a lot of people out to the races. You would think that they would want to do things to bring more Pros out like BITD and SCORE does. Our tracks IMHO are much better and funner than BITD's tracks. Everybody complains about the tracks, but have you ever raced near Vegas or Reno? Those tracks are nothing but rocks and whoops in the middle of silt beds. We have better terrain and better races come from them, but we will never be a national caliber organization unless they do things to go out and draw more big name riders. Ask Destry, he loves Az desert racing and our tracks, but he won't race here because there is nothing in it for him or Kawasaki for that matter.
Sounds petty I know, but thats the facts Jack.
David Gronlund,
Ride for fun, race to win.
paul, no i didnt see that....
DroPpEd ThE CluTcH
01/29/03, 11:02 PM
Dang... I gotta see this race..
Hold my trophy... While i kiss your girlfriend.
-ClutCh
DroPpEd ThE CluTcH
01/29/03, 11:06 PM
Man do you need nerf bars to race on whiplash tracks?
Hold my trophy... While i kiss your girlfriend.
-ClutCh
Well I finally got me a bike to ride in the race. Todd Johnson was nice enough to hand over his baby for the weekend. He has to work all weekend.
The hardest thing I'll have to do though is peel off the #1's off his number plates. Look for me on the starting line, I'll be #7 this year.
David Gronlund,
Ride for fun, race to win.
Fistfull
01/30/03, 7:51 AM
Most excellant, this should calm you down, yur getting all twitchy.
Todd is not going for the points this year?
Lighten up Francis :D
That is good news for you, but sucks for Todd. Whats the word on the WR?
Ben Hutchinson
Whiplash #32
BITD #940
David,
We need a Big-Draw race like Phoenix to Prescott or Phoenix to Yuma. This would help the organization that puts it on to bring other races together with the Big Boys. We have some beutiful desert between all of the major cities in AZ and we have some really fast riders that don't get a chance to show their speed at Mamoth or Glen Helen. I would like to see you and Ben and Dayton and even Cezil Shrader take a shot at some of the national guys. We got heart just no "special" courses.
Just a thought...
Fred
Ragdoll, very interesting idea. A point to point race across AZ. We could do like the Nevada rally 2000 and just make a big circle around the state. I would hope it would be a team race. We would put our Baja team together (Me, Dayton, Eric Brown, and Todd) and show the world how its done. It could never happen, but what a cool race it would be.
Ben, I was told my bike is "enroute". They are saying next wednesday.
Fist, Todd wants to race the series again but his year is turning out be like mine was last year. Every race is at the same time as some other important obligation that he must attend. He is going to be at two weddings that are both on race weekends, He's pretty bummed. I think he really wants to show off the #1, I would.
I'm stoked to be able to ride though. I just wish I could do it on MY bike.
David Gronlund,
Ride for fun, race to win.
Zhvonte
01/30/03, 12:17 PM
whats average lap time for this lake pleasant run?? bout 40 minutes a lap?? Trying to think if I can get away without having the camelback and just slam a can of dew at every pitstop......
2003 suzuki z400
I have no limitations, only my quad has limitations......
The pro quads last year ran around 40 minutes. Pro bikes around 33 minutes. From past racing experience I will not ride or race without water. It sucks bad when you are racing with cotton mouth. Plus with as rough as the course will get you will need to stay hydrated. Make it work. Some how, Some way.
Ben Hutchinson
Whiplash #32
BITD #940
Zhvonte: You racing the prerun on Saturday? If so, bring your camelback, chest protector, and number plate out. I'll set you up. You really can't tell that it's there. Camelbacks are mandatory for racing Whiplash. Also, if you break down on the course, it could be some time before you get a drink.[xx(] This race is fairly demanding phisically so you WILL get thirsty.
Jeff Henson
CT310 TRX250R
Whiplash #21
BITD #Q70
yeah, i am definitely going on saturday, mostly for safety reason. I want to pre-run the course to see if I need to make any front sprocket.
jeff, thanks, i really appreciate you helping me on the camelback thing... I dont have a cordless drill or anything..... need I predrill the holes before coming out?? I bought those big 10x12 number plate. I also bought 3 ft of 3/8" gas hose, guess paul said sumthin bout they hook up together.....
2003 suzuki z400
I have no limitations, only my quad has limitations......
Paul400EX
01/30/03, 9:38 PM
Can you prerun the track even if you're not racing[?]
"Get in line son, before I kick you so hard you'll be wearing your @ss as a hat."
2002 Yellow 400EX
Mods coming soon: Works ProSeries Piggyback shocks
Zhvonte
01/30/03, 10:11 PM
nope, you have to be pre-registered......
2003 suzuki z400
whiplash #???
I have no limitations, only my quad has limitations......
Paul400EX
01/30/03, 10:24 PM
oh well i guess i'll have to go check out the predators at CMCo's shop on saturday then
"Get in line son, before I kick you so hard you'll be wearing your @ss as a hat."
2002 Yellow 400EX
Mods coming soon: Works ProSeries Piggyback shocks
so how many are going to be out there on saturday afternoon to do the pre-run????? Just curious on who to look for and where.....
I know the prerun isnt until like 3pm or so, give or take, I am planning on being out noontime or a little after.
2003 suzuki z400
whiplash #???
I have no limitations, only my quad has limitations......
Not true, all you have to do is go to registration and sign the release forms. If you're a minor you will need to have a parent or guardian present to sign the release also. After that, pay $10 and have a nice ride.
quote:Originally posted by Zhvonte
nope, you have to be pre-registered......
2003 suzuki z400
whiplash #???
I have no limitations, only my quad has limitations......
"More than bar wide is too wide ;)"
quote:Originally posted by big_kaw_huna
Not true, all you have to do is go to registration and sign the release forms. If you're a minor you will need to have a parent or guardian present to sign the release also. After that, pay $10 and have a nice ride.
Yah, thats right. Thanks Paul, I missed that one. The poker run at Whiplash racers were set up for two reasons. One is for saftey reasons for the racers. The second is to raise money for the Racers Fund. This fund is handled by someone other than Whiplash and helps hurt riders out of work or god forbid families of riders that have passed while racing.
I have seen, wives, sons, daughters, dads, moms, granparents, friends and whomever else out there on a poker run. As long as you have (within reason) proper riding gear and a motorized OHV vehicle you can do the poker run, and it's for a good cause.
David Gronlund,
Ride for fun, race to win.
Zhvonte- I should be out there by 2pm, probably sooner. Look for a White 250R with #21 plates. Slyder should also be with me with his blue and white 250R #273. I'm sure I have something we can jam some holes in a plate with. I also have some really long zip ties. Should only take a few minutes. Looking forward to meeting you.
Jeff Henson
CT310 TRX250R
Whiplash #21
BITD #Q70
jeff, cool deal... yeah, if i get there early, i drive a 2002 brown nissan truck, extended cab. I should be easy to spot, wont have any number at all, heh
2003 suzuki z400
whiplash #???
I have no limitations, only my quad has limitations......
imported_n/a
02/02/03, 8:28 PM
Well, who did what? Spill it!
Never met a CR500 I didn't like.
well armpit, i dunno who won, but I can say I was the last one in out of everyone... oh well better luck next time.... Mt first lap literally sucks because my quad wasn't running right, gonna have to take it in back into the shop and have them work on it some....
I only pop my chain, my rear sprocket broke off (literally broke in half), dent my rotor, pop two rear tires, dented one rim, so life is all good after waiting until 630pm to get towed back when its dark and cold as all hell.
2003 suzuki z400
whiplash #???
I have no limitations, only my quad has limitations......
Well, Todds bike was in winning form but I guess it wasn't meant to be AGAIN. I got lucky enough to draw the #2 starting position. Harry Nevel (99 state champ) had the #1 start, since we started 2 wide I had to beat him to the first turn to get out front and make some dust. Harry's bike broke earlier in the day so John Albro ran home to get his XR650 so Harry could race. The bike showed up 1 minute before the start, and they scrambled to get numbers on it. The green dropped and I got a good start, and started to check out. I dropped into the wash at the 7 mile marker and started fish tailing around. I didn't want it to be true so I kept pushing hard. I finally stopped at checkpoint #2 (9 miles) to take a look at an extremely flat rear tire. I had over a 2 minute lead at this point. Apparently Harry was back there on that BRP making dust and holding some folks up. I didn't give up hope so I took off and rode the next 12 miles on a wing and a prayer. Kyle Beshaw passed me finally at mile 18 as we were coming into the pits. I got off the bike to see a flood of racers scream by. I had no one there to help change the flat since everyone in my pits were racing at the same time as I was. I got my finishing points, so I threw in the towel. There was no point going back out since I couldn't catch up to any one and I was officially already scored as last place, and not a DNF. I could of went back out in last place or stayed in the pits in last place. Same points.
The track took a beating in the first race of the day. It was a lot more tore up and rough from the pre-run on saturday to our first lap. From what I heard by the end of the day quads were getting lost in the bottom of the whoops. I came flying into a berm in the first wash on race day that I had railed around on the prerun to find it so chopped out that I was sent flying over the berm and through the trees before I even knew what had happened. Luckily I recovered fast and didn't lose much time if any at all. This was a track you really had to use your head on. At some points you had to slow down to go fast. Something I'm pretty good at.
#80t Ken Kozlick got the overall, and senior pro win. Kyle Beshaw got the open pro win with a second overall and a apparent broken foot. Ben Hutchinson (Dezrcr)I do believe got the second place pro, and third overall. I didn't get the finally results, so someone will have to take over here.
Fistfull needs to fill you all in on his class. It was huge, and there were riders all over the dang place. I got a little confused to say the least.
David Gronlund,
Ride for fun, race to win.
Yesterday I raced in the Quad First Timers Class and pulled out a 2nd Place finish. My buddy Nick (Desert Sand Rider) finished 1st. We had a great time and are planning to make the Gila Bend race. I will be resting up this month. I made 3 laps,57 Miles of bone jarring, teeth chattering excitement. I never knew that a course could have that many woops, twist, turns, ups, downs and potholes in it. See you in Gila Bend.
Stacy[:p]
954
Paul400EX
02/03/03, 7:26 AM
too bad about your luck z-man, sorry to hear that! I guess it's time we invest in reinforcement rings huh? I don't even want to worry about denting a ring so those are definately in my near future. Dave, sorry to hear about your flat, but at least you got to race again right?
"Get in line son, before I kick you so hard you'll be wearing your @ss as a hat."
2002 Yellow 400EX
Mods coming soon: Works ProSeries Piggyback shocks
Fistfull
02/03/03, 7:56 AM
I think there were 12 riders in the MC7 group. I started in the third row, worked my way up to second position, then killed the 400 doing a panic stop, avoid the big rock that will kill ya type of thing, Jim Chapman got back in front of me at that point, I chased him through the rest of lap 1 and all of lap 2, he pitted at lap 2, I kept going, late into lap 3 Bill Arens and Jim Chapman passed me, (I couldn't figure out what was going on, my stength was gone and my stomach was killin me, I have it figured out now, I'm home sick today with stomach flu). I pitted before going out on lap 4 and #700 (I can't remember his name, sorry) went by while my crew was pouring fuel in the bike. I caught him about mile 12, he picked up the pace and I couldn't. Jim Chapman ran out of gas midway through the 4th lap.
MC7 results
#1 #756 Bill Arens
#2 #700
#3 #724 Me
#4 #708 Jim Chapman
Lighten up Francis :D
#700 is my Mechanic Ben Urrea from Bens Cycle Works. He races once or twice a year and does pretty good.
Good job on the third place Fist. You guys have been doing pretty good showing old Jim how its done. As I recall he won a lot of races last year.
BTW, My good friend and coach Jerry Kyle (#828) ended up winning the 800 class. He passed the all race 800 leader right at the finish. It just goes to show you that you can never rest in a desert race, not even on the finish stretch.
I had to bail before the awards, sorry guys.
David Gronlund,
Ride for fun, race to win.
Lizrdlipz
02/03/03, 8:46 AM
David,
It was good to see you this weekend. Too bad about the flat. It sure is disappionting to go flat when you're throwing the spank on everyone. Glad to see you made it back to the pits without having to wait for Jethro. It makes for a long day when that happens. Congrats to all who finished. That's a tough race. The course got worse exponentially after every lap. I was constantly having to look for new lines. Lots of fun though. I just wish someone would either move up to MCM or just show up. It's getting lonely. I may have to make another class move decision if this keeps up. Maybe I can get younger. Hmmmm... Hope to see you all in Tucson next month.
Steve Feld #31
I'll take over for what I can remember. But yes #80 Ken Kozlick (senior pro) won the overall by a little more than a minute over #14 Kyle Beshaw (open pro). From I heard Ken and Kyle were battling for the over all when Kyle crashed on lap three and broke his foot. He still finished the race with a great lap. Kyle started out the season very good with two wins and a big points lead. Now He will be out for a few weeks. I finished 2nd in class third overall. I don't know how but I did. #51 I don't remember his name but he finished fourth overall.
The course was so rough . I don't know how you quad riders do it.
Ben Hutchinson
Whiplash #32
BITD #940
desertsandrider
02/03/03, 10:43 AM
posted earlier......
Well, Stacy and I decided to check out how the whole thing was setup on saturday...then got a wild hair up our a**es and decided to enter for sunday.....we figured it would be cool to scream across the desert...not too hard....and not being able to pre-run the course.....well, of course after 1/2 mile into it we found out how technical it really was....4 laps of 19 miles with only 2 miles of that being high speed pinned smooth. Stacy got second and I got 1st in the first timers quad class. we also saw zvohnte out there...i saw him on the second, third, and fourth lap...broken down, dunno what happened yet. i ruined 2 brand new holeshot tires and douglas .190 rims......never made a whole lap on 4 good tires!! Stacy's wife was kind enough to lend me a stock wheel off her brand new z400 on the second lap....then after i blew the second holeshot tire 3 miles later, i decided to run the last 50 miles on the flat....the rim looks really cool now! i also (because of the flat) went 2 feet off the trail up the big hill and got a cactus across my neck...that really sucked..still sucks today. we had alot of fun, and will definately keep doing it.
Nick
el-gato, because I got tugged in well after the race was over, does this constitues a DNF on my part??
2003 suzuki z400
whiplash #???
I have no limitations, only my quad has limitations......
desertsandrider, read my post above, rear sprocket bent, two blown tires, one bent rim, bent rotor as well....
2003 suzuki z400
whiplash #???
I have no limitations, only my quad has limitations......
Zhvonte, if it happened on your first lap, then that is a DNF. You have to complete at least one lap to be scored with a finishing position. Your name will appear in the results, but with 0 laps completed. Sorry to hear about all the damage. METAL skid plates...gotta have them!
I managed a third place finish in the ATV2 class. Had an extremely clean race, no flats, no problems...just one worn out body. I agree with Dave's assesment of the course by the time the quads got to run. It was really chewed up. I think that may have been my last race as a "200" class rider. Only first place in the "100's" had a faster time than myself.
Robert
TRX330R
Whiplash #273
Steve, It was definately fun battling with you on the Poker run. Like I said before, nice job on the break check. You almost made me stall the bike. A true pro move. You learn fast grasshopper. Time to go back a few years and come play with the 30+ guys. You've got a good chance with them boys. They are starting the senior pros and open pros all together now, so you never know you could draw the #1 start position and check out on all us slow pokes.
Ben, don't give me that "I don't know how I finished second" crap. You were flying bud. I heard some real good compliments about you when you screamed through the pits.
Sorry to the quad guys. We really wasted that track for you. You didn't have much to race on by the time the bikes got done with it. Better luck next time. You guys will pay us back with interest at other races I'm sure.
David Gronlund,
Ride for fun, race to win.
I'm glad I am getting noticed, and thank you for the compliment.
Ben Hutchinson
Whiplash #32
BITD #940
slyder, i saw you going by me twice, i was right before mile marker 14. I was the one in a yellow quad in the sand wash.
and i saw dezrcr as well, i remember seeing a #32 out there.....
I did manage to complete one lap, I think by my watch it was 42 minutes. So last place for sure.... I am sure because of this I will get shoved into the 300 class. I started my stopwatch going into lap two and made I made it to mile 13.5 in 27 minutes. too bad they cant place my by my lap time and not by my placement of the race.
2003 suzuki z400 (yellow)
whiplash #951
I have no limitations, only my quad has limitations......
Racerfisk
02/03/03, 8:56 PM
El-Gato - You did the right thing my brother. TJ knows he let the right man ride his bike. Understanding the rules & regs is important & your understanding of the situation is Numero Uno! How about that #700! Wish I was there but still saving the planet near Payson, 10-4 Rubber Door. Come up to the travel trailer next week end - the 600 & 450 R ready and the trails start 100 feet from my front door. John wants to go - Later 747
Man sounds like you guys all had a blast.....cant imagine trying to run a race like that on the ol DS650....damn thing barely fits on the jeep trails.
"Crashing is what its all about"
Nate 2001 BombardierDS650
Erica 2002 LE Black Raptor
Caitlin{11} 2002 Trailboss 325
Morgan{3}2002 Scrambler 90
I met a guy last year at Point to Point in Mexico and he rana aDS^%), BUT if i rmemeber correctly he replaced the motor with a CR500 (the bike was new)He only mad it halv way though and it siezed up. DAM (a wall whch retains water) with this stupid trveling i do i miss these races.
*If you havent wrecked it, you really havent rode it.*
*NO CRYBABIES ALLOWED*
*Friends dont let friends drive DS's*
*Life is empty without a RAPTOR"
2002 Raptor
2001 250 Trailblazer
1999 300 Ex
1999 LT 160
Mike
Fistfull
02/04/03, 9:35 AM
quote:Originally posted by El-Gato
Good job on the third place Fist. You guys have been doing pretty good showing old Jim how its done. As I recall he won a lot of races last year.
Jim is on the same slow boat from Japan as you. He was riding a borrowed bike. His 450 hasn't shown yet either, probably a good thing for me ;) he is going to be tougher than ever to get ahead of once he gets on the new steed.
Lighten up Francis :D
Zhvonte
02/04/03, 10:13 AM
does anyone when they will have the results on the whiplash board?? wasn't sure how quickly they are at doing this.... I wonder if they are gonna make me start in the 200 class or the 300 class.
2003 suzuki z400
whiplash #951
I have no limitations, only my quad has limitations......
Race results will be up later this week most likely. It takes about a week. If you DNF'd you will most likly be in the 300 class. Sorry to break the news to you that way.
Ben Hutchinson
Whiplash #32
BITD #940
Zhvonte,
Dezrcr is right, it will take at least a week for Whiplash to get the results up.
Most of the top finishers in the 200 class finished all 4 laps. You will definitely be placed in the 300 class. Whiplash will not base class "move-ups" on single lap times. Remember, desert racing is all about endurance. There are folks who can put in one or two high speed laps, but then their lap times drop off dramatically because their strength is gone. I would not worry about the class you are in. If you are too fast for the 300's, it will not take you long to prove it. It only takes one race.
Robert
TRX330R
Whiplash #172
ok, thanks guys for that info, now I dont feel so bad I can move up a class in any single race. I know I can run with the 200's class no problem and maybe 100's after i get my elka/houser long travel suspension installed.
2003 suzuki z400
whiplash #951
I have no limitations, only my quad has limitations......
Paul400EX
02/04/03, 3:41 PM
z-man, it's not the bike that makes the rider fast, it's the rider that makes the bike fast ;)
"Get in line son, before I kick you so hard you'll be wearing your @ss as a hat."
2002 Yellow 400EX
Mods coming soon: Works ProSeries Piggyback shocks
Slyder wrote
quote:Remember, desert racing is all about endurance. There are folks who can put in one or two high speed laps, but then their lap times drop off dramatically because their strength is gone.
You mean I'm not the only one? :D
Jeff Henson
CT310 TRX250R
Whiplash #21
BITD #Q70
Phil Brooks
02/05/03, 12:07 AM
Great race! I thought this was the best event whiplash has put on so far. The course had a little bit of every thing, high speeds to hill climbs, to tight twisty tech. I had 3 mis-happ's. I ran off course 2 times into the shrubbs costing me several minutes each time. On the 3rd lap I could not hold it any longer. I had to stop and to take a leak[:0] lost a minute or two on that stop, but no one passed me. I mannaged to complete all 4 laps in just under 3 hours, & I was very happy not to get lapped by the pro's. I finished 5th out of 8 in the 600 class, & I believe 5th O/A in the 40+ class out of 20 riders. Good to see every one out there this weekend! I also believe every one had a fun yet safe time.[:p] Phil # 611
Honda's Crash Test Dummies
Good job Phil. You were riding good. I give you a 10 on the last turn mishap. You can tell the story if you want. All I'll say is that Phil went behind the scorer in stead of in front and not on porpuse. There was a lot of brush flying!
David Gronlund,
Ride for fun, race to win.
Paul400EX
02/05/03, 8:55 AM
hahaha i can only imagine how that story pans out :D
"Get in line son, before I kick you so hard you'll be wearing your @ss as a hat."
2002 Yellow 400EX
Mods coming soon: Works ProSeries Piggyback shocks
HardHeadedWoman
02/05/03, 11:15 AM
I have a question. What does DNF stand for?
Syreda
Honda Foreman 450es
Don't follow David. There must be an easier way.
desertsandrider
02/05/03, 11:19 AM
did not finish
HardHeadedWoman
02/05/03, 12:05 PM
quote:Originally posted by desertsandrider
did not finish
Thanks.:)
Syreda
Honda Foreman 450es
Don't follow David. There must be an easier way.
Phil Brooks
02/06/03, 12:09 AM
Darn, I forgot about the eye witness at the finish line. Yea, Dave set up his pit right at the finish line. I guess I was just trying a little too hard to make up some time for my earlier mis-happ's. I was on the final 1/4 mile dog-legg wide open. I just came in too hot "80-85 MPH, and I blew the turn. Off the course and headed straight into the spectors. A few trees, severial bushes, many cactus, and a lot of people were flying every where[:0] I had to re-entry the track where I made my exit, then cross the finish line. It must have been a sight to see. I'm just glad that I did not run any one down or hit someone's car/truck. Thankfully one one was injured, other than all the barrel cactus splines in my new front tire[}:)] My apploiges to any one that had to jump out of the way:). I did not go to the awards presentation, but I'm sure that I did receive the "BONE-HEAD" move of the day![:p] See ya next race. Phil # 611quote:Originally posted by El-Gato
Good job Phil. You were riding good. I give you a 10 on the last turn mishap. You can tell the story if you want. All I'll say is that Phil went behind the scorer in stead of in front and not on porpuse. There was a lot of brush flying!
David Gronlund,
Ride for fun, race to win.
Honda's Crash Test Dummies
Phil Brooks
02/06/03, 12:11 AM
opps
Hey Phil, that wasn't a bone head move at all. You're just supposed to do that out in the dez so no one will see it. I was very suprised that you were the only one to do that. The scoreres were in a HORRIBLE place. They were set up on the outside of a loose off chamber corner after a long wide open straight. To make it even worse there were poeple parked all along there. Before the first race a lady set up her bady's crib right along the track about where you blasted through. I went over and told her she was in a very dangerous spot. She didn't take me seriuosly until the first bike came through at mach-1 and pelted their whole group with rocks. They moved quickly. They must not of realized how fast we'd be going through there and how much rocks those bikes kick up.
David Gronlund,
Ride for fun, race to win.
Fistfull
02/06/03, 8:16 AM
Some of the most interesting action occurs when, the spectators that have setup on the outside of a turn, suddenly discover they are on the wrong planet. Just hope no one gets hurt.
On my first lap as I crossed the start/finish, I had it wicked up and was going to fast to make the transition/turn and stay in the road, glad the spectators had been shooed back from that side of the course earlier by similar occurances during the starts.
Lighten up Francis :D
Did you miss the choya cactus that was on the outside of the turn? I was eyeballing that evertime I went through there hoping I wasn't going to hit it.
Ben Hutchinson
Whiplash #32
BITD #940
Lizrdlipz
02/06/03, 2:48 PM
Ben,
You looked great out there. You really stepped up to the plate well. I'll have a care package for you at the next race for your gallant efforts. My surgery went well and they removed a pretty good sized tumor and a cyst from my throttle hand. This should make it much easier to ride now. I have attributed the right arm pump to the tumor. I'll soon find out if I was correct. Is the next race going to be Tucson or Gila Bend? I'm voting for Tucson. I guess we're supposed to call Whiplash to let them know where we want to race next.
Steve Feld #31
I forgot you had surgey. I'm glad to hear everything is good. How soon till you ride again? I'm with you, I would rather go to Tucson. Did you call Whiplash?
Ben Hutchinson
Whiplash #32
BITD #940
Did any of you hear any details on why the race started an hour late. I heard someone removed many of the course markers the night before the race. Whiplash replaced them the morning before the race. I heard a few rumors about eco-nuts being responsible, but don't know if that was confirmed. I can't imagine why anyone else would do such a thing.
Jeff Henson
CT310 TRX250R
Whiplash #21
BITD #Q70
Fistfull
02/07/03, 7:42 AM
quote:Originally posted by Dezrcr
Did you miss the choya cactus that was on the outside of the turn? I was eyeballing that evertime I went through there hoping I wasn't going to hit it.
Ben Hutchinson
Whiplash #32
BITD #940
I missed, when I couldn't stay in the road I let the bike drift way outside, that little cactus was still standing after the bikes finished, don't know if it made it through the quads.
Lighten up Francis :D
desertsandrider
02/07/03, 8:54 AM
i just called whiplash to see what class i would be in....no one answered, but when i transferred to the other line..info...it said the march 1-2 race was in gila bend...i guess they decided already.
so, who knows where i'll be placed?? my total time with many flat tires was--completed all 4 laps in 3:16:29......which was equivelent to 2nd and 3rd place in atv3 and 5th-6th in atv 2.
Nick
imported_n/a
02/09/03, 4:40 PM
I was wondering why all the flats and trashed rims for the quads. Then I rode part of the course yesterday and saw why. It was beat out badly with sharp rocks jutting out. The quads had no way to pick lines thru that stuff other than bash over it. It was bad enough on a bike.
Never met a CR500 I didn't like.
Us desert racers can sure tear up a nice riding area pretty fast, uh AP? You should see what the trucks and buggies can do.
I couldn't beleive the difference from the prerun on saturday to the start of 2nd race on sunday. That was only half of the weekend. I truely feal sorry for the quad guys
David Gronlund,
Ride for fun, race to win.