Tired of the same old races.

[cactus_sampler]

I notice some postings mentioning "...we want more technical races.."

How about answering some questions:

Tired of racing on car tracks?

Tired of Whiplash?

If new organization was to offer more technical races (ala LUHS, Tecate) would there be enough of a turnout to justify putting one on?

Do riders want team races or solo events?

How much entry fee would riders pay? $100 for Pro classes and $50 for expert/amature?

Would riders also pay pit ($5-$10 per vehicle) and land-use fees ($20-$50) per team/rider?


The big question: How many riders would show up (100, 200, 300?).

Would the valley area riders be open to starting an AMA sanctioned club with a focus on desert racing? (Having AMA sanctioning would midigate a LOT of the freaking event insurance costs and thus bring the entry cost down).

We (the new organisation) has the access to land (private and BLM) to put on 100+ mile, very technical, (25mph/hr would be hallin' some serious ass) events (All single track, No roads) on trails that 99.9999% of Phoenix area riders have never seen. The trails are ridable by all skill levels, not AA enduro stuff. Just tight, knarly and fun. The location is within 1 hour of anywhere in the valley.

Please give us some replies and pass the word on to your racing buddies.

Reply to: motogod@earthlink.net

[imported_n/a]

Why am I suspicious of someone who posts this but has only one post total?

What gives? A little more detail would be nice before I wanna reply. And you already know the answers to the questions you posed, or most of them anyway.

Never met a CR500 I didn't like.

[neWRiver]

Hmmm... sounds interesting. But, uhhh, what ArmPump said. Who are you? Who is "We (the new organisation)?"

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Kevin (kevinknorr@msn.com)

2001 WR250F

[El Gato]

This is the exact thing that everyone around Az is looking for. ATR is doing there part with the Enduro Qualifier. Now some of us are also trying to get things going with smaller clubs putting on races. (http://www.evtr.org/).

You would get an awesome turnout after a while. I think it would be slow going the first couple of races until the word got out, kinda like the ATR races did.

David Gronlund,
Ride for fun, race to win.

[Dezrcr]

I agree with El-Gato. Over time you would see something big. If you could bring in the the big name people and keep the cost down, that is something we need here in AZ. We have the terrain, and many riders that love the technical, but they don't care for the WFO riding.

Ben Hutchinson
Whiplash #32
BITD #940

[El Gato]

I've said it before, but I would be very careful of trying to be big first time out. Do a little by invite only race to try out your computer system and personnel issues.

That would suck to have 200-300 racers show up and not be able to handle it. First impressions are everything. If people are disgusted the first race, they may never come back and say bad things about you to their friends.

Then again if you have the confidence and the b@lls, go for it.

David Gronlund,
Ride for fun, race to win.

[cactus_sampler]

[quote]Originally posted by ArmPump
"Why am I suspicious of someone who posts this but has only one post total?

What gives?"

No need to be suspicious. There is no hidden agenda.

"We" are just a couple of local squids with more ideas than money.

Coming out of the gate full on is not something we can afford. Its like this: we have the trails. We have the desire. We don't have the cash to front a race. Insurance and infrastructure costs are outside of our means. We race BITD and Whiplash and are tired of 5th gear WFO down some stupid roads. We love Laughlin. We love Tecate. We hate Snowflake/Parker/Gila Bend/blah blah blah.

I guess what I was trying to get accross was why don't "we" (Arisona riders) form a desert racing club (like any of the D37/38 cali clubs) and put on our own races. An FPO (for profit) racing organization like BITD/SCORE/Whiplash lives in a different place according to the law. An NPO (Non profit. like Desert Vipers, Los Ancianos, etc) hold a different place legally. NPO's don't have to have the levels of insurance and such to hold a race. Hell, if you ain't paying for the chance to ride and instead are 'participating' things get a lot more managble - legally.

Jeez. take a look at some of the D37/38 club events - Adelanto. Day-in-the-dirt, Elsinore. Make us zonies look lame. Lazy and lame.

If we could form a club with resonable dues then we could apply those dues towards setting up some decent racing.

I have looked into the BLM/State Trust permit deal and it ain't no big thing. Getting event insurance is, however. Paying for Native Air, EMT's, Porta-Potties and goverment road crossing people is a 'big deal' as well. For us poor local squids the costs are way outside what we could justify.

So the question(s) boil down to:

Do we form a local desert racing club and put our own races on (like ATR does with the enduro).

Or, do we continue to go up and down the same old roads...

[BigDog]

Cactus Sampler,

In addition to the high costs you already mentioned, don't forget that there's always the real possibility that the promoting organization will have to pay for an archeological study. That's what happened to ATR when they moved their enduros out to the mm 11.5 area. And it's not cheap...the State Land archeological study cost ATR $5000!

"I didn't crash...my bike just fell over."

'01 DRZ250