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Well, I asked a member here this question, and either he was to busy to answer or didn't know the answer, either way,, here's the question.
How or what is the difference in a ported pistol, vs > a non-ported pistol? The one I am looking at, I think there's about a $45.00 difference in it being ported... is it worth it.. or would I have to be an expert to notice the difference?
Bill
Doug N Jean
10/03/05, 4:04 PM
Depending on the caliber a ported pistol will have less recoil then a non-ported one but will have a louder report if that bothers you. Porting would cost more to have done by a gun smith then one from the factory that way. You would have to shoot both and then see which you prefer.
The ported one will have less recoil but allot more noise.
Diglerville
10/03/05, 4:32 PM
I would save porting for a target pistol, not a carry weapon. Fire coming out the sides could be bad for you unless it's a full arm length away.
quote:Originally posted by kahala
Well, I asked a member here this question, and either he was to busy to answer or didn't know the answer, either way,, here's the question.
How or what is the difference in a ported pistol, vs > a non-ported pistol? The one I am looking at, I think there's about a $45.00 difference in it being ported... is it worth it.. or would I have to be an expert to notice the difference?
Bill
What the first two replies said is true. However, most pistols that are ported are rather large caliber or very fast with long barrels. I've had a Thompson Contender that was ported and it did make a big difference on the recoil, but it was very loud. Since it was a hunting pistol, the porting was very important.
What are you looking at getting?????
Pecos Bill
10/03/05, 4:37 PM
I've been around since before they even called them "ported" guns. When I started shooting they just called them "compensated". There are some people who swear by ported firearms, and others who say that it just ruins a good gun. To tell the truth, I've never noticed much diffrence. The best that I can say about ported handguns is that, while it might not do any good, it certainly doesn't do any harm
I don't like the ported gun because it tends to increase the flash at night and it gives away my position when I'm night target shooting.:D
duneflyer
10/03/05, 5:21 PM
night target shooting... hmmm sounds fishy.. are those night targets moving....
Sometimes:D[}:)]quote:Originally posted by duneflyer
night target shooting... hmmm sounds fishy.. are those night targets moving....
Ported lower's the barrel tip when firing. If you auto adjust the lift then no, if you don't have a clue what I'm talking about then go for it. Either way, I have gun's that are both..but you need to adjust either way. Either 12G 3.5 Shotgun ported or .40 CCW it's ths the same deal. Practice, Practice,Practice
quote:Originally posted by duneflyer
night target shooting... hmmm sounds fishy.. are those night targets moving....
Night shooting with tracer ammo can be a fun experience. Some organized shoots provide night shooting events and with moving targets. Nothing quite like watching a minigun dial in a target down range with tracer. [8D]
DaisyCutter
10/12/05, 2:19 PM
Porting is meant to reduce muzzle flip moreso than recoil.
Less muzzle flip is advantageous for speed shooting competitions. The high-end competition shooter will gain more from porting than the average shooter. For mortals, I recommend non-ported. I've shot ported and non-ported (Browning) shotguns side by side. I'm a decent sporting clays shooter and I could detect no difference.
The ports can be a PITA to clean though.
quote:Originally posted by DaisyCutter
Porting is meant to reduce muzzle flip moreso than recoil.
Less muzzle flip is advantageous for speed shooting competitions. The high-end competition shooter will gain more from porting than the average shooter. For mortals, I recommend non-ported. I've shot ported and non-ported (Browning) shotguns side by side. I'm a decent sporting clays shooter and I could detect no difference.
The ports can be a PITA to clean though.
Not so.....although some "porting" is used to reduce "muzzle flip (or tip)", porting started out and the majority of porting continues to be for reducing recoil. As Pecos Bill stated, originally it was referred to as "compensated", now porting and muzzle "brakes" tend to be used interchangably.
So we don't have to go through all the "I say....You say" junk, here is an article (although rather long) from a real expert, Chuck Hawks. To find this info, just go to www.chuckhawks.com
Muzzle Brakes
By Chuck Hawks
Newton's law says (to paraphrase) that for every action there must be an equal and opposite reaction. Recoil (kick) is the rifle's reaction to the action of the bullet being accelerated down the rifle barrel. Recoil is caused by two factors. The first is the bullet itself, which cannot be interfered with. The second is the expanding powder gasses that are pushing the bullet and must also exit the barrel. Muzzle brakes reduce recoil by diverting part of these gasses to the side so that they do not add to the rearward recoil.
A properly designed muzzle brake can significantly reduce recoil. The actual effectiveness depends to an extent on the cartridge for which the rifle is chambered. Ahlman's claims a 50% recoil reduction when their Recoil Reducer muzzle brake is used on large magnum rifles. Mag-na-port International claims recoil reduction of up to 45% for their Mag-na-brake. Browning, whose BOSS (Ballistic Optimizing Shooting System) is both a muzzle brake and an accuracy tuning device, claims a recoil reduction of up to 30%. Weatherby, who claims that their Accubrake is the most effective on the market, claims recoil reduction of up to 53%.
In their literature, Weatherby compares the effectiveness of the Accubrake to several other makes of muzzle brake. According to Weatherby, who used a .416 Weatherby Magnum rifle for testing, the Recoil Reducer reduced recoil by 39%, the KDF Slimline reduced recoil by 40.6%, and the KDF Regular reduced recoil by 49%. These devices reduced recoil by an average of 42.86%. I find that pretty impressive.
The Recoil Reducer, Magna-brake, Accubrake and BOSS muzzle brakes are screwed onto the end of the barrel. They are essentially a ventilated steel tube bored a little larger than the groove diameter of the barrel. Screwed firmly into place, they add a couple of inches of length to the end of the barrel, and are usually slightly fatter than the normal outside contour of the barrel. There is no loss of bullet velocity or change in the rifle's ballistic performance with these muzzle brakes.
The bullet never touches this type of muzzle brake, simply passing through the muzzle brake tube as it leaves the barrel. Some of the expanding powder gas pushing the bullet also passes through the center of the muzzle brake and exits the barrel in a normal manner. But a considerable percentage of the escaping gas finds its way through the holes drilled into the body of the muzzle brake and is deflected outward and at an angle to the rear. This is how these devices reduce recoil. They do work, it is simple physics.
There is another type of muzzle brake. These are "installed" by porting (drilling or cutting angled holes or slots into) the barrel itself. Such brakes avoid the added length a
DaisyCutter
10/21/05, 6:24 AM
The original post was regarding ported pistols, not magnum rifles... A totally different application.
I acknowledge that I cited a shotgun experience that I had, but only because that's the extent of my experience shooting ported vs. non-ported.;)
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BTT/is_165_27/ai_105698455
Quote from this article: The stealth comp does alleviate a certain amount of recoil in the light pistol. While this is much-appreciated, the greatest assistance from the comp is its ability to keep the barrel down, and close to the target. This allows for a very fast second shot for such a small pistol. And fast can be a good thing, you know.
http://www.wilsoncombat.com/p_tactical_elite.asp
Another short quote: the Tactical Elite delivers all the accuracy one could demand, combined with the rapid shot-to-shot recovery one would expect from a compensated pistol.
Within the bounds of the thread-poster's question (ported vs. non-ported pistols), I answered the question as best I could. I'm not trying to be a gun-nazi and correct somebody for using the word "ported" instead of "compensated" or "muzzle break", whichever he meant. I also didn't have to scrounge to find any references, I just did a simple google search on "compensated pistol".
The original thread-poster didn't specify which type of ported pistol. If he's talking about a TC Encore chambered in .270, sure the ports are meant for recoil reduction. If it's a defensive or competition pistol, like a Glock 24c, then the ports are intended to reduce muzzle flip.
I apologize if my first post slighted you, the answer to the question really depends on the original poster's intended meaning, and the answerer's perception of what a typical ported pistol is... You own a TC, so I totally understand your answer and it is correct. For somebody who owns a compensated tactical competition pistol, the correct answer is different. It's just a simple matter of perception, "ported" to you typifies TC, to me it typifies a Glock 24c.
No biggie.
;);)
quote:Originally posted by DaisyCutter
The original post was regarding ported pistols, not magnum rifles... A totally different application.
I acknowledge that I cited a shotgun experience that I had, but only because that's the extent of my experience shooting ported vs. non-ported.;)
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BTT/is_165_27/ai_105698455
Quote from this article: The stealth comp does alleviate a certain amount of recoil in the light pistol. While this is much-appreciated, the greatest assistance from the comp is its ability to keep the barrel down, and close to the target. This allows for a very fast second shot for such a small pistol. And fast can be a good thing, you know.
http://www.wilsoncombat.com/p_tactical_elite.asp
Another short quote: the Tactical Elite delivers all the accuracy one could demand, combined with the rapid shot-to-shot recovery one would expect from a compensated pistol.
Within the bounds of the thread-poster's question (ported vs. non-ported pistols), I answered the question as best I could. I'm not trying to be a gun-nazi and correct somebody for using the word "ported" instead of "compensated" or "muzzle break", whichever he meant. I also didn't have to scrounge to find any references, I just did a simple google search on "compensated pistol".
The original thread-poster didn't specify which type of ported pistol. If he's talking about a TC Encore chambered in .270, sure the ports are meant for recoil reduction. If it's a defensive or competition pistol, like a Glock 24c, then the ports are intended to reduce muzzle flip.
I apologize if my first post slighted you, the answer to the question really depends on the original poster's intended meaning, and the answerer's perception of what a typical ported pistol is... You own a TC, so I totally understand your answer and it is correct. For somebody who owns a compensated tactical competition pistol, the correct answer is different. It's just a simple matter of perception, "ported" to you typifies TC, to me it typifies a Glock 24c.
No biggie.
;);)
DC,
I agree with the above, as well. (These things can get technical and I sometimes go overboard the wrong way[B)])
Thanks for the info.:D
WildBill
10/25/05, 4:45 PM
The best gun and caliber...it the one that you practice with often and shoot accurately.
Preferably all practice is done on a command or buzzer, from a holster (concealed or open depending on the situation), with multiple targets, and under induced stress (rather than standing still) as in IDPA, IPSC, or Club Steel matches. All of which take place several times a week all over the valley.
To answer your question for that small of a difference get the one you like ;)